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Second General Backs Lakin Says President Should Produce Birth Certificate
The Greeley Gazette ^ | 8/9/10 | Jack Minor

Posted on 08/10/2010 1:15:44 PM PDT by jamese777

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To: jamese777
The titles of this thread, and of the thread on the Greeley Gazette don't comport with the statement by Gen. Curry. The title, intentionally or not, suggests that a birth certificate or birth on our soil makes Obama eligible. The statement by Gen. Curry was “...saying he agrees with Lakin that the President should provide proof of eligibility.” Curry did not, at least in what was reported, mention birth certificates. He asked for "proof of eligibility."

Obama’s ineligibility has been "proved" by Obama himself. Having an alien father is not the same as “born on the soil of citizen parents,” or, from John Bingham's address to the House in “...of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural-born citizen;”

As the "Anchor Baby" discussion, around the meaning of the authors of the 14th amendment proceeds, watch how pundits avoid the above statement by John Bingham. They all know. Even Ann Coulter and Roger Hedgecock refer to another of the contributors, Senator Stewart, as the “principal author of the 14th Amendment. Are they afraid of naming Bingham, called “The Madison of the 14th Amendment” by Justice Hugo Black because of his clarity on natural born citizenship? Obama’s ineligibility has become a hot potato. Because his father was never a citizen, Obama, by his own admission, was born a British Subject, Obama cannot be a natural born citizen. Read a bit about John Bingham and his fierce campaign to right the wrong of racial discrimination. http://www.constitution.org/col/intent_14th.htm It would be a just irony to have the words of the the man most responsible for fighting for the citizenship of slaves, making them equal under the Constitution, clarify that the racist in the White House sits fraudulently in office, using racial division to curtail our Constitutional freedoms.

61 posted on 08/10/2010 3:39:29 PM PDT by Spaulding
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To: Michael.SF.

how so?

http://www.curryforamerica.com/AboutJerryCurry.htm

http://www.jerrycurry.com/militarycareer.html


62 posted on 08/10/2010 3:46:07 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for Obama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: jamese777

Way to go, Gen. Curry.


63 posted on 08/10/2010 3:50:28 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic (Southeast Wisconsin)
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To: jamese777

Who’s killing the messenger?? Below is one of your uses of the term:

“Obama is fantastic at baseball, the score of the game is currently Obama: 71/Birthers: 0.”

Are you saying you only use the term ‘birthers’ when it has a Rovian application??

And btw, I wish I could return the compliment, but I’m going to need to see better work on your end.


64 posted on 08/10/2010 3:58:19 PM PDT by edge919
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To: jamese777

Who’s killing the messenger?? Below is one of your uses of the term:

“Obama is fantastic at baseball, the score of the game is currently Obama: 71/Birthers: 0.”

Are you saying you only use the term ‘birthers’ when it has a Rovian application??

And btw, I wish I could return the compliment, but I’m going to need to see better work on your end.


65 posted on 08/10/2010 3:58:26 PM PDT by edge919
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To: Rannug

You do Free Republic no favor posting remarks like that.


66 posted on 08/10/2010 4:01:28 PM PDT by Drew68
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To: jamese777

Do generals not have to read or obey the UCMJ these days? Seems to be a growing phenomena, and I haven’t heard much talk of courtmartials like we would have even 5 years ago.


67 posted on 08/10/2010 4:31:34 PM PDT by COgamer
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To: jamese777

Lakin was ordered not to speak to the press and was immediately taken by military escort back to Walter Reed Medical Center without even being permitted to speak to his lawyer.


68 posted on 08/10/2010 4:46:18 PM PDT by tutstar
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To: COgamer

My initial comment above referred to the general’s professionalism, and the appropriateness of that sort of political comment from a man in uniform. I’m sure there’s great frustration - but as of right now these calls are being effectively countered by the media. With some exceptions that fall mostly along party lines, the media has succeeded in convincing the American people that Obama has already released his BC - which makes those calling for its release seem crazy.

The media is going to keep saying “but Obama’s birth certificate has been on the net, visible to all, for the last 2 years! Stupid, stupid birthers.”

The whole Certificate of Live Birth just goes over people’s heads. Recently on Pollster they did a piece about a CNN survey looking at the ‘birther’ issue, and the author was kind enough to include an image of the Certificate of Live Birth, with a heading saying “see, here’s a copy of the Birth Certificate right now!”

They just count on people being stupid. That’s all there is to it. If the actual Birth Certificate was produced this argument would have been over before it even started. And if the actual Birth Certificate was already available why would the administration continue fighting its release in court?

It would be frustrating to me if I believed this was a mistake - that the media are just stupid and believe their own stories. But I don’t believe its a mistake, rather a purposeful mis-representation that they probably see as a “white lie” because Americans just don’t understand anything without the media to let them know what they should think.

More states need to introduce laws requiring ACTUAL birth certificates. Then when Obama finally does produce a birth certificate (or doesn’t) the media will be in the position of having to explain why they were reporting he’d already released it. And if it DOES show anything questionable - well, then they get to explain that too.

It’s very dispiriting all in all.

I hate to see military men damaging their careers over this - and its just not appropriate. They’re there to follow orders and keep their political opinions, at least where the media is involved, to themselves. And that’s what they should do.


69 posted on 08/10/2010 4:52:17 PM PDT by COgamer
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To: COgamer

What makes you more special than Jerry Curry?


70 posted on 08/10/2010 5:00:08 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for Obama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: stevio

That would be something indeed.


71 posted on 08/10/2010 5:32:24 PM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Growing legs indeed.

The Constitution is under attack.

Soebarkah, Indonesian National, British Born Subject, Islamic Kenyan citizen, and 44th president of the US.

The Truth is out and It's not going back in the bottle.

72 posted on 08/10/2010 5:40:17 PM PDT by PA-RIVER
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Honduras had a good outcome. The problem is that here, the venal legislative class, and the feral White House, are wholly unaccustomed to accountability.


73 posted on 08/10/2010 5:43:09 PM PDT by bvw
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To: tutstar

Lakin was ordered not to speak to the press and was immediately taken by military escort back to Walter Reed Medical Center without even being permitted to speak to his lawyer.


Yes, I heard that. That’s extremely rare in a Court Martial but then its extremely rare for any Lieutenant Colonel to be Court Martialed at all and its even more rare for a Lieutenant Colonel to appear on television and on the internet discussing the fact that he intends to disobey orders from his direct superior officers.


74 posted on 08/10/2010 5:53:57 PM PDT by jamese777
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To: COgamer

Do generals not have to read or obey the UCMJ these days? Seems to be a growing phenomena, and I haven’t heard much talk of courtmartials like we would have even 5 years ago.


Yes, everyone in the military from generals to privates has to follow what is written in the UCMJ.

Just because you haven’t heard of many court martials doesn’t mean that they aren’t happening every single day. The media tend not to cover them unless they are really dealing with sensational issues.
Court martials tend to be much less exciting viewing or hearing than civilian trials.


75 posted on 08/10/2010 5:57:36 PM PDT by jamese777
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To: edge919

Who’s killing the messenger?? Below is one of your uses of the term:

“Obama is fantastic at baseball, the score of the game is currently Obama: 71/Birthers: 0.”

Are you saying you only use the term ‘birthers’ when it has a Rovian application??

And btw, I wish I could return the compliment, but I’m going to need to see better work on your end.


Its hard to tell which thread you are referring to without a scorecard. I thought you were talking about THIS thread.

I find the term “birther” to be a mild perjorative. I prefer “those challenging Obama’s eligibility.” But sometimes I use it for shorthard.


76 posted on 08/10/2010 6:00:34 PM PDT by jamese777
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To: Spaulding

The titles of this thread, and of the thread on the Greeley Gazette don’t comport with the statement by Gen. Curry. The title, intentionally or not, suggests that a birth certificate or birth on our soil makes Obama eligible. The statement by Gen. Curry was “...saying he agrees with Lakin that the President should provide proof of eligibility.” Curry did not, at least in what was reported, mention birth certificates. He asked for “proof of eligibility.”
Obama’s ineligibility has been “proved” by Obama himself. Having an alien father is not the same as “born on the soil of citizen parents,” or, from John Bingham’s address to the House in “...of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural-born citizen;”

As the “Anchor Baby” discussion, around the meaning of the authors of the 14th amendment proceeds, watch how pundits avoid the above statement by John Bingham. They all know. Even Ann Coulter and Roger Hedgecock refer to another of the contributors, Senator Stewart, as the “principal author of the 14th Amendment. Are they afraid of naming Bingham, called “The Madison of the 14th Amendment” by Justice Hugo Black because of his clarity on natural born citizenship? Obama’s ineligibility has become a hot potato. Because his father was never a citizen, Obama, by his own admission, was born a British Subject, Obama cannot be a natural born citizen. Read a bit about John Bingham and his fierce campaign to right the wrong of racial discrimination. http://www.constitution.org/col/intent_14th.htm It would be a just irony to have the words of the the man most responsible for fighting for the citizenship of slaves, making them equal under the Constitution, clarify that the racist in the White House sits fraudulently in office, using racial division to curtail our Constitutional freedoms.


The following is from the last paragraph of Lieutenant Colonel Lakin’s letter to President Obama (yes LtC. Lakin uses the term “President Obama” in his greeting):
“Unless it is established (by this sufficient proof that should be easily within your power to provide) that you are constitutionally eligible to serve as President and my Commander-in-Chief, I, and all other military officers may be following illegal orders. Therefore, sir, until an official birth certificate is brought forward that validates your eligibility and puts to rest the other reasonable questions surrounding your unproven eligibility, I cannot in good conscience obey ANY military orders.”
Respectfully,
Terry Lakin


77 posted on 08/10/2010 6:44:32 PM PDT by jamese777
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To: jamese777
a good leader would gladly produce the documentation and put this issue to rest.

A good one would.

78 posted on 08/10/2010 7:57:00 PM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 563 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Growing legs, it is. Ending in revolt, this will.

I hope not!

(A revolt is different than a revolution, in that a revolution is, by definition, successful)...

79 posted on 08/10/2010 8:00:16 PM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 563 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: DManA
face several charges including missing a movement.

I understand they pretty much control your life in the military but that seems a little....invasive.

Well DUH!

Why do you think they call it the Regular Army?

80 posted on 08/10/2010 8:03:43 PM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 563 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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