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To: Chunga85

Yes, mortgage fraud is rampant, but it doesn’t hold a candle to the real causes of this crisis:

1. Lax underwriting guidelines across ALL loan types.
2. Artificially low interest rates.
3. A guaranteed buyer (Fannie/Freddie)for a procuct (mortgages).
4. A tax code that favors one asset class over all others.

Mix those 4 thing together and you get a real estate bubble of epic proportions.

We increased residential mortgage debt from $5.1 trillion to $11 trillion in 8 short years from 2000 – 2008.

Again, we increased our national residential mortgage debt BY 6 trillion dollars, at a time when the market was over-priced.

It took us 100’s of years to get to 5.1 trillion. It took us 8 years to more than double that number to 11 trillion!

The question is, how much did we overspend? 2 trillion? 3 trillion? More??

There were approximately $1 trillion subprime loans done (no one thinks we have stopped doing subprime loans do they?... let’s see, subprime went away and FHA went from 2% market share to 40% market share... hmmmmmm?)

There were approximately $1 trillion of Alt-A loans done.

That leaves approximately $9 trillion of supposedly “prime” loans. If 16% of those default (which is what one of the charts predicts), then that would be $1.4 trillion in defaulted PRIME (wink, wink) loans.

Subprime has a higher default rate, but prime losses will be much, much larger dollar-wise. Size matters.

That is what people do not seem to grasp yet; the enormity of the issue. There is no way to pin the problem on one specific type of loan. Doing that grossly understates the scope of the problem.

Prime loans (which were actually what I call faux-prime because the majority of prime loans done during that time did not remotely fit the traditional definition of a prime loan), Alt-A loans, Subprime loans… doesn’t matter.

ANY loan done during that time frame was a bad loan because the value of the underlying asset was distorted/inflated.

To throw salt in the wound, the harsh reality is that millions of the jobs that were created during that time were temporary, because they existed only as long as the real estate bubble existed (really, it was an asset bubble of almost ALL asset types).

That bubble has burst and it’s a long way down back to earth.

The pain must come.

Jobs, jobs, jobs (non-government, preferably export-creating jobs) are the only pain reliever!!

The anti-business attitude in Washington has got to stop.

Jobs are the only thing that can save us, if anything can.


4 posted on 08/14/2010 12:07:05 PM PDT by Painesright
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To: Painesright
I hope those jobs come soon.

Woman Tasered in Foreclosure Standoff SWAT Team! That's great stuff! According to the Gwinnet Court's Website the "lenders" involved are Citibank and Umb Bank. This I'm sure is worth a few chuckles.

5 posted on 08/14/2010 2:25:45 PM PDT by Chunga85 ("Foreclosure Fraud", TARP, "Mortgage Crisis", Bailout)
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To: Painesright
[To throw salt in the wound, the harsh reality is that millions of the jobs that were created during that time were temporary, because they existed only as long as the real estate bubble existed (really, it was an asset bubble of almost ALL asset types).]
"The Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) defines mortgage fraud as the intentional misstatement, misrepresentation, or omission by an applicant or other interested parties, relied on by a lender or underwriter to provide funding for, to purchase, or to insure a mortgage loan.”
Many of those "jobs" also evidently relied upon a poorly calibrated moral compass and eyesight which facilitated "intentional misstatement, misrepresentation, or omission". 
 
"Everybody cheats - that's what you have to do to survive" - that was the attitude observed and conveyed to me by a UCI Physics professor I served on a jury with back in 2004.  He was frustrated and astounded by the level and sophistication of cheating he saw taking place in his classes.
 
No big surprise, then, to observe the same "Everybody cheats - that's what you have to do to survive" attitude among the "progressives" within the mortgage industry....
 
 
The proliferation of mortgage fraud must be seen within the context of the general decline in society's moral framework - and until THAT trend is reversed, I see no reason to believe the systemic corruption of our economic, governmental, and other institutions won't continue.
 
A Republic is a system, of governance characterized by the Rule of Law; and when the Law fails - the Republic fails.
 
Unless you just want an evolutionary repeat of the systemic corruption observed previously, the first "jobs, jobs, jobs" to be created should be related to Law enforcement - investigative, judiciary, and PUNITIVE.
 
It's called FRAUD for a reason.   PUNISH IT.    Because if the Republic does not - then Nature inevitably will.   
 
Got Due Penalty?

6 posted on 08/14/2010 3:01:08 PM PDT by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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