Posted on 08/15/2010 6:03:42 AM PDT by maggief
For most of my adult life I have pondered the seemingly unanswerable, "Why do American Jews go against their own self interests by always voting for Democrats?" American Jews, in contrast to their insignificant population numbers are significantly at the heart and core of American intellectualism, professionalism, and most importantly, entrepreneurism, the engines that drive our capitalist economy. And yet, election after election, these supposedly smart, super achievers vote almost en bloc for Democrats. No group but blacks votes more in lock-step with Democrats than Jews, but blacks can in no way match the social accomplishments of American Jews.
As the decades have passed, the question has become even more baffling as the leftist elements of the Democrat Party, that is, most of it, have become increasingly hostile to Israel and even to American Jewry. We look at election results and we shake our heads, wondering what on earth can these people be thinking when they continue to elect those who bear them such ill will?
True, Jews have always been at the forefront of civil rights issues particularly as those issues regard blacks. But what then do we see in the form of reciprocation from so-called black leaders if it is not growing expressions of anti-Semitism that were they to be espoused by a white of any faith, would be universally condemned. Yet within that black community, so strenuously supported by the Jews, lies a glowing, growing coal of embryonic anti-Semitism which is ripe for fanning into flames of exploitation by Muslim activists.
What brings all this to mind is our President and his predilection (minus his bifurcated blather buddy) for speaking his mind before he engages it. Barack Hussein Obama's clearly stated support for the construction of a mosque at the site of 9/11, Ground Zero, surely must have jolted a few thousand more Jewish liberals into a sense of awakening reality they have long ignored. That is, to borrow from Osama bin Laden, they just may be backing the wrong horse.
To get back to the premise of the title, should that sort of awakening occur among liberal Jews, and should they shift their slavish financial support from Democrats to a more reasoned support of conservative American politicians, we could well see a significant swing of the political pendulum returning America to the sort of sensible, even-handed, middle-of-the-road governance its citizens favor. Even a small shift of that heavy Jewish financial backing to the GOP could well serve to bring Democrats to their senses, enough at least to step back from the abyss, at the bottom of which lie so many failed Marxist dreams and states, and possibly America.
Of course, if their liberal gag reflex absolutely prevents supporting Republicans, America's Jews could shift some of that Democrat Party funding to the many synagogue building funds in Syria, Jordan, Egypt, Pakistan, Iraq, Iran, Indonesia and most especially, Saudi Arabia.
Take your pick...
See #33
What that means is that Soros can be counted in a minyan.
Who is Jewish Halachically is one thing, who relates and associates with the community in such a way that his/her actions can be described as that of someone Jewish is an entirely different matter.
Yes, Socialism must be viewed as a religion. The question is not, Why do so many Jews vote for democrats. The question is, Why do so many Jews convert to Socialism?
One answer may be because they read questions like yours on Conservative sources The question is, Why do so many Jews convert to Socialism?
Many Jews in the Scandinavian countries? Canada?
This has been going on for decades. The Democrats are the anti-American Party. As a party they hate Christianity - the religion of the vast majority of this country - and all that it stands for. The Democrats are the part of legalized infanticide, forced societal acceptance of every perversion, the destruction of marriage, the forced indoctrination of our children.
And American Jews overwhelmingly vote for their program, finance it, spearhead its propaganda and generally cheer it on.
Again, 80% of American Jews support that party in election after election after election.
So, I gotta tell you, I'm seeing a larger problem here than the gentile instances you mention: a drunk Irish Catholic politician (Ted Kennedy) and the odd WASP serial killer (Ted Bundy). No, the problem is much broader and deeper when we're talking about the political proclivities of American Jews in their mass.
Granted that there is a significant minority of American Jews who love this country and who support its core Christian institutions. But they are a minority, and a rather small one at that.
The truth is - and the thing we conservatives are too namby-pamby to ever discuss in public - is that the Democratic platform is treasonous and subversive. And the very large majority of American Jews support, finance and do about everything they can (again, as a group) to advance the cause of treason to our state and subversion of our culture.
This tendency is far too broad and deep for it to be anything other than an expression of a profound cultural hatred for the culture of the Christian majority. It evinces a visceral fear of American Christianity. I often get the impression when speaking with American Jews (and as a lawyer I know many) that when they look at me they see a Cossack. They're nuts. But their almost instinctive hatred of me and my Catholic culture is impossible to miss.
It's clearly and unreasoned hatred, but it is hatred nevertheless.
At some point we're all going to have to have a real heart-to-heart about this.
What that means is that Soros can be counted in a minyan.
Who is Jewish Halachically is one thing, who relates and associates with the community in such a way that his/her actions can be described as that of someone Jewish is an entirely different matter.
Point taken, as is your point of numerous other leftists from other ethnic/religious backgrounds.
However, Jews are not like any other people on earth. They are the "people who dwell alone," a people "not numbered among the nations of the earth." The Jewish soul descends from a different source in the G-dhead (though we are dealing here with mysteries beyond understanding) and even enters the body at a different point than the non-Jewish soul.
It is no wonder, it is completely natural and to be expected that Jewish actions impact the world like those of no other people, for good or for ill. Jews who love HaShem and observe Torah keep the world in existence. Jews who do not cannot but do immense harm.
This is nothing to be ashamed of or to apologize for. It is simply proof that the Jews are indeed the Chosen People and that Israel's G-d exists.
As I said in an earlier post on another thread, all things happen under Divine Providence. Even Jews who reject HaShem are used by Him in some way. Much of our worldview--even though it contains much truth--is shot full of error. Liberal Jews are being used by G-d to shake and sift that worldview so that in the end G-d Alone with be vindicated and all Truth will be accepted on His Word Alone with no admixture of error and falsehood.
Be strong!
I'm an ancestral Hamiltonian/Federalist/Whig/Republican, so it is an unpleasant task I am about to engage in.
There was no legalized abortion in America or party that advocated it until 1973. There was no "gay rights movement" until 1969 and even then it wasn't even a blip on the radar screen.
The Democrat party evolved from the anti-Federalists who opposed ratification of the Constitution and after losing that argument advocated strict constructionism. The early leaders of this movement were Thomas Jefferson and James Madison.
Though the original Democrat position (strict construction of the Constitution) is now considered the Republican position, they were originally "left" because they supported the French Revolution and opposed church-state combinations.
Later under Jackson the Democrat party evolved into a further kind of "liberalism," though Jacksonianism is the position of many rural conservatives who distrust "eastern bankers."
It was the Democrat party that defended slavery and the compact theory. During the Civil War the Democrat party split into Confederates, "copperheads," and "war Democrats" like Andrew Johnson (who remained a Democrat even after serving as Lincoln's vice president).
The first stirrings of "socialism" in the Democrat party came from the rural South and Midwest (the Bible Belt!) under William Jennings Bryan. To this day many rural conservatives, while rejecting Bryan's solutions, share his rogues' gallery.
The zygote of the modern Democrat party is to be found in the New Deal, wherein the heretofore conservative Hamiltonian Eastern seaboard and its cosmopolitan urban elites adopted Bryan's socialism for their own ends. However, please recall that FDR was practically a saint to American Catholics.
If the Democrat party is the anti-chr*stian party, it is also the traditional Catholic party and has been from the beginning. It also advocated blue laws and prohibition, issues on which Catholics are not very strong.
Not to defend the Democrat party, but your statement is very simplistic in the context of American history and hypocritical inasmuch as you ignore the Catholic addiction to the Democrat party.
Thank you.
The democRat Party of today is not the Democratic Party of 100 or even 50 years ago.
I’m certainly no Kennedy (any or all) fan, but can you imagine the Party of Hillary Clinton, Nancy Pelosi and Barak Hussein 0bama running John F. Kennedy for President?
The democRat Party of today is not the Democratic Party of 100 or even 50 years ago.
I’m certainly no Kennedy (any or all) fan, but can you imagine the Party of Hillary Clinton, Nancy Pelosi and Barak Hussein 0bama running John F. Kennedy for President?
You're welcome. And as an Old Republican, that was not pleasant for me to do!
Meanwhile on another thread Alexander Hamilton is getting trashed.
I fully understand and sympathize. I have spent much of my sixty years living in towns with strong Jewish populations (Massapequa, Forest Hills, Great Neck) and I have never been able to understand the political mindset of the group.
There were Jews in America long before FDR, and I had no idea that he let them in "en masse." Didn't most Jews immigrate in the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries, before FDR? And FDR's record on the Holocaust and was far from sterling.
The virulently anti-Christian tendency of the core of the Democratic party is the issue.
So then I take it you're not a Democrat, like the majority of your co-religionists? How does one explain the rabid loyalty to the Democrat party of most American Catholics throughout its history?
Like all parties the Democrats are a coalition of various groups. As conservatives who are trying to preserve some semblance of sanity the enemy is not the various extraneous groups, but rather the anti-Christian nucleus that animates the Democratic Party's anti-human policies.
You also ignore some salient facts. Jews were vastly overrepresented in the Soviet spy rings of the 1930s to 1940s. The Rosenbergs were just the tip of the iceberg, as the declassification of the Venona files proved beyond all doubt. And yet who more than any other group defended to their dying breath the treasonous Rosenbergs and their ilk?
American Jews founded, led and financed subversive organizations like NAACP and SNCC. American Jews were at the forefront of the Weather Underground, SDS and all of the subversive front organizations of the 1960s.
You forgot the Palestine Liberation Organization and the Irish Republican Army. Oops! Forgot. They don't fit the profile, so they don't count.
The Jewish Neocons are openly Trotskyite.
Well, the "palaeocons" say they are, though I doubt any "Jewish neocon" is an "open" Trotskyite.
There were a few Catholics in all of that like, for example, Michael Herrington, but the fact is that American Bolshevism, as in Russia and Europe, was a profoundly Jewish thing. And it is this thing that we are fighting for the soul of our nation.
If we want to win this fight we're going to have to first get real clear in our own minds what the enemy is. As long as we're too polite to notice the profoundly Jewish nature of the threat we have no hope of winning.
So let me get this straight: if conservatives are going to win, they're going to have to "name the enemy" and become explicitly anti-Jewish. They're going to have to openly declare war on the Jews and Judaism. Maybe sign a treaty with Ahmadinejad, bomb Jerusalem or something?
As a former John Bircher, I have little use for that organization. But even they knew what to do with people who said "we have to name the enemy." They kicked them out.
I'm sure the mods and JimRob will be interested in your point of view.
You didn't read my post on the Jewish soul and the unbelievable damage that Jews can do if they don't observe Torah, did you?
And as I understand it, some Kibbutz were more favored by the government than others.
If an experiment fails time after time, there is something wrong with the equation.
Jewish anti-conservatism goes back much further than the 1930s.
The Socialist party got 38% of their vote in 1920.
There was a pro-abortion movement and much success before 1973.
>"In June 1967, the American Medical Association voted to change that body's long-standing opposition to abortion. With a new resolution, the AMA now condoned abortion for the life or health of the mother, for a baby's 'incapacitating' physical deformity or mental deficiency, or for cases of rape or incest.
That same year, Colorado, North Carolina, and California became the first states to adopt versions of the ALI "reform" abortion law. By 1970, though, four states - New York, Alaska, Hawaii and Washington - passed laws that basically allowed abortion on demand. Of those four, New York's was the only law without a residency requirement and the state quickly became the nation's abortion capital.
The pro-abortion onslaught was beginning to face opposition, though, as pro-life forces organized. In 1972, the New York legislature voted to repeal the state's liberal abortion law, but Governor Nelson Rockafeller vetoed the repeal. Ballot questions in Michigan and North Dakota that same year attempted to decriminalize abortion; the measures were defeated by majorities of 63 percent and 78 percent, respectively.
Just as pro-lifers were beginning to turn the tide however, the Supreme Court handed down Roe vs Wade in January 1973."
My point is simply this: contemporary liberalism did not exist in 1800, so Catholics can be said to have been "liberals" (at least in the contemporary sense) since that time.
I'm not trying to defend Catholics, of whom I'm a caustic critic. I'm just pointing out that your claim that "American Catholics have always been liberals" is a bit of an exaggeration.
aside from the Jews I know here and in my personal life who share my values and whom I hold dear...
most...and that is most by a long shot are working ardently or supporting a vanguard whose aim is to destroy my culture and supplant it with a messianic humanist relativist anti-pluralist nihilism that they have not really thought through much...it has now become an entrenched inter generational reflex except for those brave few who can break away
so I doubt very seriously they will be anyone’s saviors but their own...and God bless those who do
whoever titled this piece cannot have missed their own biting irony
and btw...Mark Levin explains this better than do I...and now given Rush's recent homo-embrace that makes Mark about the only culture warrior left who has yet to disappoint me.
this bent of American Jews which has been fairly steady since the latter Jewish migrations from eastern Europe to here is as entrenched as black dependence is or southern white socially conservative Democrats once were
it may shift a bit here and there but a pivotal groundswell will take an epiphany or a cataclysm
I have listened to very learned Jewish scholars time and again state that Jews must remain outside and distinct from the culture they inhabit and they must work to question that culture non stop and to work for a more benevolent "man"..//..a Cliff Notes version of messianic humanism at it's purest which lends itself strongly to progressivism and nay collectivism even while they excel in the very culture they wish to so markedly effect.
I am happy many resist that siren call but I can't say I know the secret of how to get more to do so
At any rate, the Democrat party hasn't always stood for what it does now. Some "palaeos" still hate the Republican party and Abraham Lincoln.
There was no change between pre war and post war voting among Jews.
After giving Jimmy Carter 71% of their vote in 1976, they gave Reagan 39% in 1980, and then a lower 31% in 1984.
We don't usually think of that as doing "well".
Thank you! I didn’t know that.
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