[Hodar]

dinks, double income no kids.

Not everyone should be a parent. Many who are parents, should never have become parents. I find no fault in a couple who have no maternal instincts, removing themselves from the gene pool.

Most neglected kids, are unwanted kids. Most abused kids wind up abusing others. Most prisioners in our penal system were abused or unwanted. There is an economic theory (unintended consequenes) that one reason the crime rate has gone down since the 70's was Rowe vs Wade.

[bill1952]

That economic theory is negated by 50 million 3rd world immigrants.

[Palter]

Of course, but we are only maintaining the 2.1 birthrate because of immigration.

Native born are choosing not to reproduce.

[thulldud]

There is an economic theory (unintended consequenes) that one reason the crime rate has gone down since the 70's was Rowe vs Wade.

This sort of analysis is a symptom of the common liberal tendency to freeze people into invariable categories. The "poor" stay poor, the "rich" stay rich, and there is no need to consider how or even whether anybody might leave one group and go into the other.

Same with "unwanted" children. Lots of kids are "unwanted" when the test comes out positive, but by the time they're born, surprise! they are wanted after all. That is, they are if abortion doesn't deny them the chance.

(Besides, what does "wanted" have to do with anything? A person has the same intrinsic value, no matter who "wants" him or doesn't.)

As to parenthood, the only way I became an even halfway decent one was by having kids and learning as I went along. I would have been no good as a parent if I had stayed as I started out.

[Mrs. Don-o]

It is not at all evident that, as Levitt (Freakonomics) hypothesizes, abortion lowers the crime rate. Steve Sailer, one of the theory’s knowledgeable opponents, shows here (Link) how the statistics don't hold up: go on and look, if you want to crunch the numbers yourself.

More recently, John Lott Jr. and John Whitley (American Enterprise Institute) found that not only did abortion not decrease crime rates, but it actually increased murder rates by 7 percent in the U.S., pointing to "a strong consistent positive relationship between abortion and murder."

Mind you, this is correlation, not necessarily causation: they found that when abortion increases, murder increases as well: the legalization of abortion is linked to about 700 more murders per year by 1998—a 7.2 percent increase.

Is there a plausible causation pathway? They argue that there is. It's basically because Levitt didn't notice that the availability of abortion actually increases out-of-wedlock births like so:

• without the availability of abortion, women are far more likely to restrict sexual interourse to men to whom they are married, engaged to marry, or feel very likely to marry.
• Likewise, without abortion being available, men are far more likely to marry a woman they've gotten pregnant, or to remain married to pregnant wife or one who has had his child.
• Knowing that abortion is available, women are far more likely to "take a chance."
• At the same time, the availability of abortion makes men far more likely to absolve themselves of a sense of co-responsibility: such men will say, "Well, that's her problem: she could have gotten an abortion."
• Whatever the "he said/she said" interaction, the brute fact remains that making abortion legal and available does, in fact, measurably, predictably, increase out-of-wedlock births.
• And finally, out-of-wedlock children are more likely to go on to eventually commit felonies.

So rising abortion rates actually correlate, down the line, with rising murder rates. Counter-intuitive? Maybe. But you can look into the actual research findings Here.

[Blue Ink]

There’s a huge number of highly educated, upper and middle-class women who were sold the progressive junk science that they could work their way up to CEO, then have children in their late thirties and forties.

Manifestly not true. And now it’s too late. The good news is the generation coming up has figured it out.