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Hawker Beechcraft proposes F-35 cannon for AT-6
Flight International ^ | 14/09/10 | Stephen Trimble

Posted on 09/14/2010 10:53:40 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki

Hawker Beechcraft proposes F-35 cannon for AT-6

By Stephen Trimble

Hawker Beechcraft has revealed new details about its plans for the AT-6 light attack and armed reconnaissance (LAAR) fighter, including the possibility of integrating a 25mm cannon.

A derivative of the General Dynamics GAU-12 Equalizer, a five-barrel cannon developed for the Lockheed Martin F-35, is among the weapons in consideration for the turboprop-powered aircraft, says Derek Hess, Hawker Beechcraft's director of AT-6 development programmes.

A French 20mm gun is another option under review to either replace or augment the .50cal gun pod that is integrated on the twin-seat fighter, Hess says.

Integrating either cannon is an indication of an ongoing debate about how such an aircraft could be operated in service by the US Air Force, which plans to award a contract next year for a LAAR fleet.

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Hawker Beechcraft is teamed with Lockheed Martin to offer the AT-6 to the USAF for the LAAR programme. Embraer is expected to also challenge with its EMB-314 Super Tucano.

While the AT-6 is equipped with wing-mounted .50cal gun pods, the Super Tucano has integrated .50cal guns stored in the wings.

Hawker Beechcraft considers the pod-mounted option as an advantage should the USAF decide to upgrade the LAAR's armament, as pods can be easily replaced.

However, if the LAAR aircraft is employed in close air support situations, it is not clear whether the .50cal gun will be adequate. The USAF operates the 30mm GAU-8 Avenger, a seven-barrel Gatling gun, on its Fairchild A-10 fleet.

The core role of the LAAR fleet is expected to be counter-insurgency, a mission also at odds with the short-range and relatively imprecise machine gun. For this mission, the AT-6 would employ a new class of precision-guided, small munitions that are lethal at long ranges, Hess says.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aerospace; at6; laar; usaf
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To: darkside321
But i think they could be usefull in afghanistan for example.

Until the Stingers arrive.

21 posted on 09/14/2010 11:27:14 AM PDT by kbennkc (For those who have fought for it freedom has a flavor the protected will never know .F Trp 8th Cav)
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To: Little Ray

But any modern shoulder fired fire and forget anti aircraft missile would be the death of this “birds”.


22 posted on 09/14/2010 11:28:05 AM PDT by darkside321
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To: calex59

Quads are cool. The rear gun on the boats was supposed to be an M-60 but they were all replaced with another M2. Three is almost as good as four!


23 posted on 09/14/2010 11:30:58 AM PDT by Seruzawa (If you agree with the French raise your hand - If you are French raise both hands.)
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To: darkside321
But i think they could be usefull in afghanistan for example.

I am a fixed winger all the way, but frankly I can't see what these things do that helos cannot. Of course, in Afghanistan, helos are at a disadvantage in the high mountains, and are also vulnerable to RPGs.

My other question is that I doubt the sincere AF commitment to Close Air Support. They HATE the A-10 and couldn't wait to give it to ANG units! Unless you are at 35,000+ and at least have the capability of going Mach 1, you ain't shiite in the AF promotion list.

Ask any AD1 pilot. 6 hour loiter time, 9,000 lbs ordnance, 4 20 MM cannon, rockets, pilot in a titanium "bathtub." strictly the era of dumb bombs and smart pilots. And scant respect from the fighter jocks. AF couldn't wait to ditch that mission, too!

24 posted on 09/14/2010 11:33:41 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (Revive The Poll Tax and Literacy Requirement for voter registration.)
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To: Thunder90

The A-10 tooling no longer exists. When the AF decided to re-wing the fleet, the tooling for the new wing had to be designed and built from the ground up.


25 posted on 09/14/2010 11:34:56 AM PDT by MediaMole
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To: Little Ray
Ray, I heartily agree. A 25 MM gatling would quickly shake this fragile bird apart. Even the Skyraider was prone to vibration metal stress and fatigue from wing mounted 20MM cannons. Put a GAU 25MM in a tiny airplane and not only would you have only 15 seconds worth of ordinance, you'd also tear that dirty little bird apart.

Somebodies not thinking clearly, IMHO helicopters are far better close air support, scouting and recon packages than any fixed wing airframes. Maybe these airplanes are ment for third world countries, ut we surely don't want them in the USAAF Perhaps that's where Hussein's insane financial strategms are taking us?

26 posted on 09/14/2010 11:37:07 AM PDT by STD (Witnessing Another Greek Tragedy as Our Chief Executive Implodes.)
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To: darkside321

Depends on the countermeasures package.
They have not accomplished much so far...


27 posted on 09/14/2010 11:39:45 AM PDT by Little Ray (The Gods of the Copybook Headings with terror and slaughter return!)
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To: STD

Personally, I’d build something like that and arm it with 2.75 inch FFARs - with laser or GPS guidance. I think they developed this and its been looking for a home ever since.


28 posted on 09/14/2010 11:42:23 AM PDT by Little Ray (The Gods of the Copybook Headings with terror and slaughter return!)
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To: glide625

[That looks like a knock off of the Mustang.]

There was an attempt to make a super mustang in the 80s that was more bad ass than the T-6. Too bad it wasn’t pursued. It was a turbo-prop too.


29 posted on 09/14/2010 11:43:15 AM PDT by DaxtonBrown (HARRY: Money Mob & Influence (See my Expose on Reid on amazon.com written by me!))
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To: sukhoi-30mki
Looks like wing tanks and a FLIR package.
Don' see no stinkin' guns...
30 posted on 09/14/2010 11:46:32 AM PDT by grobdriver (Proud Member, Party Of No! No Socialism - No Fascism - Nobama - No Way!)
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To: SandRat

You need a picture of the type with the 37mm anti-tank guns under the wings.


31 posted on 09/14/2010 11:48:03 AM PDT by PLMerite (Fix the clock. It's time.)
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To: Little Ray
A GREAT idea would be a 21st century A-1 Skyraider...

Now you're talkin'.

32 posted on 09/14/2010 11:49:04 AM PDT by Vinnie (You're Nobody 'Til Somebody Jihads You)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

That aircraft is in the air, right now.

Track it here:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N610AT


33 posted on 09/14/2010 11:51:01 AM PDT by Mr. Jazzy ("I AM JIM THOMPSON and moderates make me PUKE!!!")
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To: calex59
Without air superiority fighters for cover, these planes won't operate at all, they'll be shot down in large numbers by the enemy air superiority fighters.

They won't survive an environment which has the equivalent of Stinger anti-air missiles, or anti-aircraft guns.

In short these are only good in environments where the targets can't shoot back, like civilian protesters.

34 posted on 09/14/2010 11:54:51 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("It is only when we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything" -- Fight Club)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

What we'll be reduced to by the time Obama's done...

35 posted on 09/14/2010 11:55:07 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Islamists demanding "tolerance"? That's like Hannibal Lecter demanding to decide the menu.)
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To: Kenny Bunk

As said Afghanistan is the only battlefield i could think of where they might could be usefull. (This or maybe in a few 3rd world african hell holes). Because there it would be a cheap “alternative” you could call in for close air support against soft targets. For example in cal. 50 they could carry a lot more bullets than an A10 or an Apache (and the bullets are much cheaper ;-)
And since my main job in the military was “sitting” behind “my 12,7” ;-) i know that this is a very usefull round against enemy fighters or against other soft or even light armored targets.


36 posted on 09/14/2010 11:59:31 AM PDT by darkside321
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To: Little Ray

Depends on the countermeasures package.
They have not accomplished much so far...


No believe me they won´t survive if the enemy has access to modern anti aircraft weapons.


37 posted on 09/14/2010 12:07:12 PM PDT by darkside321
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To: Little Ray

Just for example look at this (you will notice that the bullets cut the rope now imagine what would happen to a big targed flying at the same speed). Btw. this is not even new technology (they allready have started to replace them).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onFypxeAkGE&feature=related


38 posted on 09/14/2010 12:17:12 PM PDT by darkside321
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To: sukhoi-30mki

If they really want a air to ground plane why not mount a pod at the end of the wing with a improved 40 mm grenade machine launcher if you will.


39 posted on 09/14/2010 1:01:03 PM PDT by mouser (Run the rats out its the only chance we have)
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To: Steely Tom

The F-35 cannon is a 25mm, the .50 cal is 12.7mm.


40 posted on 09/14/2010 1:19:10 PM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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