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Even If You Favor Amnesty For Some Illegal Teens, This DREAM Act Must Be Stopped
NumbersUSA ^ | 09/15/10 | Roy Beck

Posted on 09/15/2010 7:09:58 PM PDT by freespirited

ABC quoted me as saying that there is no question that many of the teenagers who would get an amnesty through the DREAM Act make for "compelling" cases. But I'm also quoted saying that this DREAM amnesty should not be passed.

If the DREAM Act were actually limited to the PR rhetoric that comes out of the pro-amnesty organizations, there might be reason for a debate.

If you barely paid attention, you would think this amnesty is just about illegal aliens who are high school valedictorians.

If you pay a little more attention you would know it is larger than that but think it is for good students who are teenagers or college students who were brought to the U.S. illegally when they were toddlers. You would think that they don't know the language of their home country, have no ties there and if not given a U.S. amnesty would be without a country.

And you might have believed all the rhetoric of the pro-amnesty forces of the last year that they only want legalization (amnesty) for illegal aliens if it is coupled with strong enforcement measures that will prevent a buildup of an illegal population in the future.

Well, the open-borders people have spent millions of dollars on PR firms to figure out how to lie to and mislead the American people in the smoothest way possible -- how to seem to be saying things that they actually aren't.

Here's the real story:

No. 1: Not valedictorians -- or even necessarily good students.

Any illegal alien who can manage to meet the minimum requirements to graduate from high school or get an equivalent degree meets the first test.

No. 2: Primarily NOT teens or college students.

The Senate DREAM bill allows you to be up to 35 years old!

The House bill has no upper limit.

No. 3: Don't have to have come when a child.

An illegal alien can get this amnesty even if he didn't arrive in the U.S. until age 15. That's right -- he can spend his first 15 years learning the language and culture of his home country and developing all kinds of ties there and then come to the U.S. and later claim need for a DREAM amnesty because he supposedly has no country to go back to.

I was on a national Hispanic cable TV show last week on which a videotaped profile was run of a well-heeled-looking woman from another country bragging in front of New York City scenery that a few years ago she had illegally overstayed her tourist visa when her son was 15 so he could go to a U.S. college and pursue a U.S. career. DREAM would reward her and all the rest of people in the world who might think like her.

No. 4: Bill is open to gigantic fraud.

The bill is written so that the 2, 3 or 4 million illegal-alien applicants only have to CLAIM to meet the criteria. They don't have to PROVE anything.

The government has to build a case, one illegal at a time, and prove the claims on the application are false in order for the illegal alien to lose the amnesty. Can you imagine how many times that is likely to happen?

No. 5: DREAM does nothing to stop the behavior that put teenagers into their situation. It leaves the jobs magnet in place.

This amnesty has no enforcement measures at all. It allows employers to continue to hire illegal aliens, enticing millions more parents to bring their children here illegally and stay long enough for them to become high school students and demand another amnesty in a few years.

No. 6: DREAM leaves intact the chain migration system that will allow these 2.1 million illegal aliens to eventually send for millions more relatives.

Rather quickly, the amnestied illegal aliens would be able to get green cards for their parents. And millions of additional relatives would be able to start planning their applications and getting in line. This starts with adult siblings and moves on to aunts, uncles, cousins, etc.

A large percentage of the illegal aliens in the U.S. today are extended family members of the illegal aliens who got amnesty in 1986 and also those in the six more-limited amnesties in the 1990s.

Friends, when you call a Senate office and hear (or know) that that Senator is thinking about voting for DREAM, please draw from the points above to press the Senator to hold off until somebody draws up a bill that matches the rhetoric of all the PR promises.


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Getting rid of Harry Weed is Job One.
1 posted on 09/15/2010 7:10:00 PM PDT by freespirited
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To: freespirited
The funny thing is... I thought non citizens could already become citizens by joining the US military.
2 posted on 09/15/2010 7:11:46 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama = Epic Fail)
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To: freespirited

This is nothing more and nothing less than amnesty for all illegals under the age of 36.


3 posted on 09/15/2010 7:13:10 PM PDT by La Lydia
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To: freespirited

Awwwwww it seems so mean ,, i mean it’s the DREAM act. Who could be against a dream?? /


4 posted on 09/15/2010 7:13:51 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: freespirited

Is this going to be presented as an amendment? Is the primary DoD bill a budget bill requiring only a 51 votes?

Call your senators!


5 posted on 09/15/2010 7:19:17 PM PDT by Comparative Advantage
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To: freespirited

Let me confirm that I got an e mail dated 9/14/10, from LULAC, that applauded dingy Harry for promising to offer up the dream act as an attachment to the defense appropriations bill.I`d post a link but that`d give away my secret enemies e mail account address and I`ve got too many subscriptions to enemies alerts on that baby,good Intel is often worth it`s weight in gold.


6 posted on 09/15/2010 7:19:47 PM PDT by nomad
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To: TexasFreeper2009

They can’t join the military if they are illegal....many would, of course, if it would make them legal...that is one part of the “Dream Act”.


7 posted on 09/15/2010 7:23:56 PM PDT by northwinds
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To: La Lydia

Democrats strategy is looking for ‘new voters’, obviously, because they can’t con the other voters anymore.


8 posted on 09/15/2010 7:26:18 PM PDT by Son House (Like Getting Liposuction, and Coming Out Fatter. Time to Convict Democrats of Economic Malpractice.)
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To: freespirited; All

Does anyone have a list of each Senator’s leaning on this matter?


9 posted on 09/15/2010 7:30:33 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Bless and Protect Our Men and Women in Uniform)
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To: Comparative Advantage
Is this going to be presented as an amendment?

That's my understanding.

Is the primary DoD bill a budget bill requiring only a 51 votes?

Yes 51 to pass, but first have to have 60 votes to cut off debate.

10 posted on 09/15/2010 7:32:26 PM PDT by freespirited
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To: All; freespirited

Support Christine O’Donnell - she won’t have to wait until January to start serving, and will be able to help stop this.


11 posted on 09/15/2010 7:34:18 PM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: freespirited

Thanks!


12 posted on 09/15/2010 7:35:07 PM PDT by Comparative Advantage
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To: La Lydia

“This is nothing more and nothing less than amnesty for all illegals under the age of 36.”

Good point.


13 posted on 09/15/2010 7:36:36 PM PDT by Pelham (Islam, the mortal enemy of the free world)
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To: no-to-illegals
Does anyone have a list of each Senator’s leaning on this matter?

I dont have anything current, but here's the roll call from when it was brought up a few years back.

How They Voted on DREAM Act

14 posted on 09/15/2010 7:37:30 PM PDT by freespirited
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To: La Lydia

At some point we need to give these people a chance to legalize themselves. They were brought here when they were young and had no choice in the matter. One day they wake up and can’t get a social security number, a drivers license, a job, or college. Guess what....gang numbers increase. I would be in favor of a modified version of the act that requires military service as the only means to legalization.


15 posted on 09/15/2010 7:42:35 PM PDT by northwinds
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To: freespirited

Blocking the DA should be incredibly easy and supporting the DA should severely damage careers.

The problem is that I can’t get anyone willing to help.

If anyone wants to do what tens of thousands of others have failed to do, find a smart, experienced person to “cross-examine” a DA supporter on video, using a question such as the one here:

http://24ahead.com/s/dream-act

I even made a video almost *three and a half years ago* suggesting the same line of questioning for Hillary:

http://peekURL.com/vilsq2i

A video of a politician being “cross-examined” about this by a smart, experienced person could get hundreds of thousands of views on Youtube. But, if no one’s willing to do anything, then Reid might win.


16 posted on 09/15/2010 7:47:35 PM PDT by lonewacko_dot_com
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To: freespirited

under Dream act AMNESTY everyone regaless of citizenship becomes an anchor baby.

it reverses the 1996 Republican reforms.

this was ted kennedy’s wet dream (reverse operation wetback to quote history?)

remember when CNN does “latino” stories, Latino=illegal.


17 posted on 09/15/2010 7:52:56 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: freespirited

Thank you, taking notes for review.


18 posted on 09/15/2010 7:53:19 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Bless and Protect Our Men and Women in Uniform)
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To: freespirited

How about some priveledged incentives for American kids to be able to go to college ?


19 posted on 09/15/2010 7:56:12 PM PDT by italybub
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To: northwinds
I guess it's the illegal part that is new.

Because I am pretty sure that a non-citizen living in another country can already get US citizenship by serving in the US armed forces.

20 posted on 09/15/2010 8:11:48 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama = Epic Fail)
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