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A Pledge To America
Gop.gov ^ | September 21, 2010 | Republican Party

Posted on 09/24/2010 1:18:43 AM PDT by Wpin

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To: Wpin

Good Lord, who put a sign up on this thread that said “Trolls gather here”?

Tell you what - let’s find every little “who’s server are they using” piece of crap we can with regard to this thing, and close our eyes to a moron who’s spending us into the poorhouse a trillion bucks at a time, while at the same time destroying our national character and international credibility.

Yeeeesh.


21 posted on 09/24/2010 5:50:43 AM PDT by Stosh
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To: Nextrush; All
This is not just to you but an open letter to all the bashers of the Republicans on this site and elsewhere who believe the liberal mainstream media slander of Republicans. And this is just something off the top of my head . I have much more for you puppets of the media who are probably democrats anyway.

It's not about balancing budgets. It's about reducing government size and power.

You anti-Republicans and the liberal media want us to believe Republicans make up the budget every year from scratch.

The fact is that Republicans would have to repeal most of these laws that mandate government spending like the Democrats’/socialists’ government healthcare. The only way for Republicans to repeal this would be to get a 2/3 majority of Congress to override an Obama veto. You all and the media know full well Republicans won't be able to do that so you will blame Republicans “increasing spending” when almost all spending if you include military spending is mandatory (close to 90%) spending, mandated by democrat laws.

Democrats created almost all of the thousands of government agencies. Bush nor Republicans created social security nor medicare which alone have 99 trillion dollars in unfunded liabilities. But you anti-REpublicans used the media lies to slander all Republicans for “increasing spending” when the number of government employees didn't grow but Republicans couldn't repeal democrat laws because democrats would block that.

To just repeal 1 democrat law , government healthcare, would require Republicans to have at least super majority in the Congress and a Republican President like Palin or Christie or at least a 2/3 (66%) majority of Congress. Republicans never even had a super majority yet the liberal media and many brainwashed puppets of the media blame Republicans for the huge government Republicans inherited in 1994, all the thousands of government agencies Democrats created.

Or are you saying that the U.S.A had a limited government in 1994 ? No the government was huge in 1994 , EPA, government schools, thousands of government agencies and programs , social security and medicare which now alone have 99 trillion dollars in unfunded liabilities. But the liberal media screamed "the Republicans are spending more than ever" and people who have no clue of how the government works, real history, economics etc. believe those lies.

22 posted on 09/24/2010 5:54:45 AM PDT by Democrat_media (Why is no government creating a product we can hold in our hands like a cell phone..?)
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To: Wpin
This line pisses me off...

"Whenever the agenda of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to institute a new governing agenda and set a different course. "

The original...

"That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security."

WTF is it with these people and their F'ing NEED to alter or "moderate" the meaning of the founders, freedom, liberty and even the founding documents. F'ing SOB's...

That being said... We can take their squishy F'ing pledge, give it a backbone, teeth and claws. By continuing to force the RINO's out and replace them with our brothers and sisters of the "extreme right" we can make this "pledge" mean what the founders meant when they issued their Declaration. It will be a fine day when the very last RINO spits his last breath and the species becomes extinct. Then we can fully commit ourselves to the complete annihilation of the collectivist "left".

23 posted on 09/24/2010 6:19:21 AM PDT by myself6
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To: Wpin

I called my niece and nephew in turn earlier this week and got them to register on-line. She’s 19 and he’s 21, and this will be their first opportunity to vote in an election in which the Republicans have a chance to take back the House...and maybe even the Senate. They’re both conservative, so I know they’ll vote correctly, despite the sea of liberalism around them (they’re in college in CA). Once I explained what’s at stake, and that they have a chance to vote Barbara Boxer out of office, they got excited and promised to vote.


24 posted on 09/24/2010 6:30:35 AM PDT by American Quilter (Democrats are anti-American traitors. They must be voted out of office.)
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To: Monorprise
"Thats why it was called the Declaration of INDEPENDENTS"

Lol... Its the Declaration of INDEPENDENCE. ;) Spell checkers can be downright evil sometimes.

25 posted on 09/24/2010 6:31:16 AM PDT by myself6
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To: myself6

Funny, I got nearly flamed to death yesterday for saying nearly exactly the same thing....

All I can say...Amen, brothah.


26 posted on 09/24/2010 6:33:20 AM PDT by WAW (Which enumerated power?)
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To: Monorprise

please tell us that was a typo . . . .I hope it was a typo . .. ...I’m pretty sure it was not a typo (or a joke), but please claim it was a mistake


27 posted on 09/24/2010 6:48:23 AM PDT by skeptoid (The Road to Serfdom is being paved by RINOS)
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To: Wpin
FORTY-EIGHT PAGES.

Gosh, I wonder what could have been promised if these exhaulted oracles of benevolent government had not limited themselves to ONLY 48 pages!!

The clowns insult us AGAIN!

28 posted on 09/24/2010 6:52:26 AM PDT by skeptoid (The Road to Serfdom is being paved by RINOS)
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To: Wpin

Here’s another take on this:

A Pledge to Nowhere:

http://www.redstate.com/hogan/2010/09/23/the-pledge-to-nowhere/

Posted by hogan

Thursday, September 23rd at 9:30AM EDT

I want Republicans to win.

But not just for the sake of it. It is not enough simply to get power. Republicans must demonstrate that they actually understand why they

were sent home in 2006 and 2008, and that they are 100% committed to changing the direction of Washington now that America seems poised to

give them another chance. Fail to do that and the American people will send them home again.

Yesterday’s much anticipated “Pledge to America” represents a glimpse into how Republicans plan to govern, and simply put, it’s a pledge to

nowhere.

At a time when America needs a bold, simple, fresh plan for putting America on the path to fiscal and constitutional sanity - we get instead

an almost 8000 word term paper of inside-the-beltway regurgitation that lacks the one thing the American people seem to be dying to have…

actual leadership. Harsh? Hardly.

1. The Pledge fails to address the single greatest threat to our nation’s long term fiscal health - the fact that we have precisely $0

set aside for the more than $106 trillion in unfunded liabilities staring us in the face for social security, medicare and medicaid. Instead,

we get more of the same political rhetoric about seniors standing to lose Medicare because of Obamacare. MEDICARE IS BANKRUPT. SOCIAL

SECURITY IS BANKRUPT. FOR GOODNESS SAKE, MAN UP AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

2. The Pledge blatantly fails to even mention earmarks, much less calling for a ban on them. The issue here isn’t about how much money

we will save. The issue is about Congressional arrogance - and their naked addiction to using your tax dollars to try to buy off your votes

back home.

3. The Pledge offers no significant, concrete plan to reduce spending such as a Balanced Budget Amendment or a Spending Limit

Amendment, relying instead on gimmicks like weekly votes on spending cuts and hiring freezes, as well as nebulous promises to cap spending.

4. And perhaps most troubling of all, the Pledge adopts the nonsensical “repeal and replace” mantra for Obamacare - offering as

replacement yet more federal government mandates regarding pre-existing conditions and lifetime caps on benefits, which begs the question:

which mandates are unconstitutional and which ones are not, GOP? And, STOP WITH THE MANDATES. STOP IT. MANDATING THAT INSURERS COVER

PRE-EXISTING CONDITIONS IS JUST AS BAD AS THE INDIVIDUAL MANDATE ON ITS FACE - BUT WORSE, YOU IDIOTS, IT WILL LEAD TO AN INDIVIDUAL MANDATE

BECAUSE YOU CANNOT COVER THE ALREADY SICK WITHOUT MANDATING THAT THE HEALTHY PARTICIPATE. JUST STOP IT.

In one asinine move, the GOP House leadership demonstrated that it is more interested in votes than in changing Washington and that it has

learned nothing. In fact, all you need to know is that the ever-inspiring and bold David Frum wrote yesterday about the Pledge, “GOP to Tea

Party: Your Votes Yes, Your Ideas No.”

Maybe if the self-dubbed “Young Guns” were focused on leading by virtue of the power given them in the Constitution rather than self

promotion, they would realize that words are not enough. But let’s take a look, anyway.

The Pledge is broken into five sections. Let’s go through them.

1. A Plan to Create Jobs, End Economic Uncertainty and Make America More Competitive

In this section, you would think there would be something bold. Instead we get a promise to prevent massive tax increases by making all

current tax rates permanent (i.e. the Bush tax-cuts), a mediocre small business tax deduction, an odd plan to require large-impact

regulations to get Congressional approval and a promise to end burdensome regulations imposed by Obamacare.

All fine, but pretty weak. How about reducing corporate tax rates to even the level of our competition in other countries? How about cutting

or eliminating the Capital Gains tax? How about massively simplifying the tax code by adopting a flat or FAIR tax? How about picking 100

burdensome regulations to end within the first 100 days rather than some nebulous, difficult-to-carry-out promise to stop future regulation?

Congress has given the Executive branch the power to carry out most regulations - TAKE IT AWAY, and be specific.

2. A Plan to End Out-of-Control Spending and Reduce the Size of Government

Laudable goal. Weak plan.

First observation: no mention of a Balanced Budget Amendment, a Spending Limit Amendment or any other concrete proposal to end the madness in

Washington.

Second observation: no mention of earmarks. Why? Because the politicians in Washington view them as the source of their power and ability to

buy votes back home. Sure, they hide behind their “right” to spend money instead of a bureaucrat, but the reality is that Dr. Coburn is right

when he calls earmarks the “gateway drug to spending.” After all the Tea Party backlash, these guys couldn’t even mention earmarks.

Third observation: more gimmicks. Weekly votes on spending cuts? Non-security hiring freeze? Really? The reality is that the actual employed

federal work force has been the same size since World War II, and it’s composition is driven heavily by “security” employees in DoD and DHS.

This would do nothing to curtail the millions of people on the government dole as contractors - where the real growth has occurred, as well

as at state bureaucracies where compliance for federal mandates must occur (e.g. Medicaid). Finally, the number of employees are a symptom of

largesse - they aren’t the problem. The problem starts in Congress.

Finally, I again note that there is no mention of actually reforming Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid - other than lip service to “a

full accounting” of them. $106 Trillion in unfunded liabilities. I repeat, $106 TRILLION IN UNFUNDED LIABILITIES - MORE THAN THE TOTAL

ECONOMIC OUTPUT OF THE WHOLE WORLD - MULTIPLE TIMES OVER.

3. A Plan to Repeal and Replace Obamacare

First - just repeal it, and if you can’t repeal it… de-fund it. Period. Stop babbling about “replacing.” I don’t want the federal government

to “replace” Obamacare. I want the federal government to get out of the health care business and to take the minimal steps necessary to free

up competition.

Second - STOP WITH THE MANDATES. STOP IT. STOP IT. MANDATING THAT INSURERS COVER PRE-EXISTING CONDITIONS IS JUST AS BAD AS THE INDIVIDUAL

MANDATE ON ITS FACE - BUT WORSE, YOU IDIOTS, IT WILL LEAD TO AN INDIVIDUAL MANDATE BECAUSE YOU CANNOT COVER THE ALREADY SICK WITHOUT

MANDATING THAT THE HEALTHY PARTICIPATE. JUST STOP IT. And mandating a prohibition of caps on lifetime benefits is just as silly.

Third - Again on mandates - so you think its unconstitutional for the federal government to require an individual to buy insurance, but it’s

perfectly ok to require that private companies must insure someone? Besides, see the above point - we’ll get individual mandates anyway.

Fourth - medical liability reform isn’t a federal issue. States that are adopting it are succeeding. States that aren’t are not. People are

moving from the latter to the former. Let it be.

Fifth - I don’t want the federal government to have anything to do with the doctor-patient relationship.

Sixth - Yes, do not fund abortions. And yes, HSA’s are good.

4. A Plan to Reform Congress and to Restore Trust

First - Reading the bill is a good pledge. But it should be a longer period, and you have to include amendments and “substitutes,” which I am

willing to bet you will quickly forget. You leadership folks didn’t exactly give the rest of your conference a full 3 days to review this

document, did you? And, how about by starting with a promise to reduce the number of bills introduced. Do you really need to introduce 6500

bills?

Second - Adhere to the Constitution. Sure. But do you need to pledge to do that? It’s your job, and uh - you took an oath to do it. Besides -

any measure you pass can simply offer up the Commerce Clause and the various other powers always abused to justify Congressional action.

Justifying it isn’t the problem. Actually adhering to the Constitution is the problem.

5. A Plan to Keep Our Nation Secure at Broad and at Home

I am not going to go through this. But where is any mention of reviving our dwindling defense spending? I am not talking about war spending,

I am talking about the future of our military. We were spending almost 1/3 of our GDP on defense at the end of World War II. Today, we still

spend less than 5%. We are weakening our military in the long run. FIX IT.

I also notice there is no mention of immigration - only the border.

Most of the other stuff is fine - but the reality is that promises are no good when it comes to these issues. Americans want to see action -

a strong military, a secure border (actually secure - not “operational control,” whatever that means) and dead terrorists - not terrorists in

our back yard.

Get it done.

*********

Americans wants common sense action. They don’t need 8000 words of inside-the-beltway babble. You may well have one shot, GOP, to get this

right. This was not a good start.


29 posted on 09/24/2010 7:00:07 AM PDT by S.O.L.
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To: S.O.L.

“They don’t need 8000 words of inside-the-beltway babble”

Interesting view for a 1,500+ word post.


30 posted on 09/24/2010 7:51:07 AM PDT by Stosh
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To: All; Redcloak

Redcloak wrote: “The alternative is to not fall for this RINO ruse [of a Pledge to America].”

I tend to agree (although I still don’t advocate voting for any party in a general election other than Republican. The Republican party must be reformed, and then voted for no matter what the outcome in a primary. All 3rd party delusions are just that, delusions).

I have found myself in the last few weeks and months, if not years, thinking about the “Contract with America”; how exactly did that work out for the purposes of reform of government? That’s a rhetorical question for all reading this to consider.

Another, and this is something that may generate some vitriol from virtually everyone reading this now, is that I have also found myself doubting the effectiveness of this current Tea Party “movement”. It seems to be based on the assumption that the nation is finally “waking up to the threat of big government”, that the nation is “ready to assert its burgeoning, if not latent conservatism”, and that if we all, Democrat and Republican alike, unite under a more conservative political banner, this country will get back on track.

Over these past weeks, months and years, ever since the resounding defeats of 2006, I cannot help but think back to what I heard Rush Limbaugh say, and I know he said it, sometime before 2006 (for reasons that will become immediately obvious) but I cannot remember the exact year. I think it may have been in 2002. He predicted that the Democrat party would be “reduced to irrelevancy” (almost a direct quote) in 10-15 years. He predicted this because of a similar assumption of the Tea Party today, that this nation is “inherently conservative”, and (at that time of course) had finally begun to realize that conservatism was the key to success for our nation.

Well does anyone here really think that the Democrats are going to be irrelevant in 1-6 years? Are we really on such a path? Most importantly, do we think that the events of 2006 and 2008 are of no consequence? That they are a mere aberration in a nation of “conservatives”?

If my tone seems defeatist and glum, I apologize, for I suppose in some ways it is; 2006 was a watershed year for me. I honestly and truly believed that this nation had turned a corner, and was about to finally throw off the shackle of liberalism, and then 2006 occurred, and then 2008.

How can we believe that this nation is “inherently conservative” with results such as those? Aren’t we falling into the same self-deluded trap that resulted in the RINO (or I should say CINO, CONSERVATIVE in name only) arrogance that got us to 2006 and ‘08 in the first place? It’s such enthusiasm, based on quite frankly the faulty premise of national conservatism, that enabled CINO’s to be elected to government at the highest levels, to spend money on THEIR pork barrels, on THEIR special interests, and we celebrated, drunk on the victory of “our side”. I think this paragraph describes some current general races we find ourselves in now, which I won’t name for the reasons I stated in my opening. But I think it should be rather obvious to which I refer (no, I won’t state which ones, because now, we have no choice, we must support the Republican).

The purposes of this post is a reality check. To (hopefully) get some reader somewhere to realize that enthusiasm for the current climate is based on false hope. Just as the liberals are now realizing their “hope and change” in 2008 was a false hope, if we base our agenda, our reason for being political, on the assumption that somehow this nation is “waking up”, then we have already lost, in every real sense of the word. We may make some gains (and indeed may win both houses of Congress) this fall, and maybe even gain the presidency back in 2012, but they will be fleeting victories, just as they were in 2002 and 2004.

How can I say this with any confidence, without being overly pessimistic? Simply because of the reasons for the defeats of 2006. Again, if this nation were “inherently conservative” then Democrats wouldn’t have gained any power then, a 3rd party would have risen to ascendency, to throw out both parties, at least in Congress at the time.

No, I think it’s clear what the nature of our nation is and has always been: Largely, our fellow citizens are simply concerned about their own pocketbook, their own houses, their own lives, and the lives of their immediate friends and family. The vast majority of the citizenry is not concerned with how “conservative” or “liberal” a candidate is. The vast majority just want to be left alone, and don’t care if its a “big government” that will leave them alone, or a small one. This may seem like a disconnect, for after all, as we all know here, on FR, how can one expect a “big government” to leave anyone alone. But this is the common mentality. This is America, and indeed, I would argue it’s been American culture from the beginning. (I believe history even shows that the majority of people in the colonies didn’t really care about the Revolution, simply wanted justice for themselves and their families, and didn’t really care who, or what provided said justice, but it’s irrelevant if I’m wrong about that point, as I’m quite certain I’m correct about the apathy of today’s culture in America).

Once and until we realize this basic, fundamental fact about our culture, then we on the “right” side will always be condemned to put our hope in a falsity, a fallacy, forever believing in the delusion that America is “finally waking up”, counting immediate victories as “proof” of said impending rationality, and then receiving the shock of realism as Joe Citizen votes against our conservative ideals in 4-6 years, not because Mr. Citizen is inherently liberal OR conservative, but because he looks at his paycheck and sees no change.

So, how do we truly move forward as a nation? I propose that we do not focus on “educating the people” about the values of conservatism. I believe Glenn Beck had and still has the best idea with what he proposed during his recent rally in Washington. That we, as individuals, in our communities, help our fellow citizens realize their full potential as human beings, and, through this example, the values of conservatism that we all cherish here, will be a natural outpouring, a natural consequence of said actions. This is best accomplished, I propose, through the proposal of Christianity, a proposal that states, along with, above, and before our Constitution, that each person is a valuable being, a human being. If this is what the Tea Party movement is proposing, then I grant that I have missed that; however to me it seems it’s another movement based solely on political argumentation in favor of conservatism. A laudable goal, but not one that gets to the root of every human problem, which is our failed humanity. There doesn’t seem to be, to me, much of a proposal to address fundamental human desires in the Tea Party.

Indeed what do politics in general force us, in truly the most basic of senses, to do? It forces us to make a judgement, many judgements, about what is important in our lives, what is important to us, what is important to humanity. Ultimately, if we are truly honest with ourselves, we judge that we all, as human beings, have infinite desires for happiness, for peace, for justice, for beauty. With an honest and frank examination of our own, individual experiences, what can we say truly “satisfies” us? “Quid animo satis”? What satisfies the soul? Are we completely satisfied when we win a congressional seat, a house of Congress, both houses, the Presidency? Are we truly satisfied when we get a raise at our job, when we have another child, when we get another car, another house? I propose that, if each person reading this now, truly examines how satisfied you are, you must answer, truthfully, that you can never be truly satisfied no matter how many things you possess, no matter how many victories you win. You, as well as I, have INFINITE desires for everything. From this personal experience, only one question comes to the front, the most important question.

Who, or what, but a “God” could possibly answer such desires, our own, HUMAN desires? Who, but the God-Man Jesus could fulfill such desires, as a true mediator between the Infinite and the finite? How else could we fully realize our own human desires? How else can we BE, FULLY HUMAN? Because without such realization and satisfaction of our own infinite desires, we are relegated to live a truncated life, a life of “compromises” as we tell ourselves “it’s foolish to believe that my infinite desire for everything can ever be fulfilled, because that is just a by-product of my own failed humanity that gets in the way”.

In other words, denying that they ever should be fulfilled because such desires are not how we were intended to be created by our Creator, but rather the result of the sin of Adam. This denies the infinite that God clearly wants us to partake in from an honest reading of Scripture and respect for 2000 years of Christian teaching, after all, we were created in His image, His likeness. Thus to deny our infinite desires as part of God’s plan for us is to imply that infinite desires for good things such as happiness and justice is “sinful”, a ludicrous proposal that makes God a “sinner”, as no believer in Him denies He has an infinite desire for justice and happiness for us, yet somehow our exact same desire is a sin, merely “because we are human”. This is simply a false sense of humility. Or worse, we tell ourselves, that we are merely a product of evolution, or happenstance and thus such infinite desires are a biological malady, an undesirable by-product of an imperfect evolutionary plan, thus denying the infinite because we place more faith, ironically, in science than our own personal experience.

This is a life that does not meet the expectations of our own human nature. By every logical definition and deduction, this therefore implies that if we tell ourselves we should never seek to have our infinite desires satisfied, our humanity is truncated, our humanity reduced, to something less than what it was clearly meant to be, something less than natural, something less than fully human.

Until we realize this, unless we begin this true, yet much more difficult work, true “change” will never occur, no matter how impassioned our speech, no matter how “logical” or “rational” our argument, because history has shown, and indeed our own, individual experience will show, that no “change” ever occurs until and unless a person is changed from within. And such change never occurs, permanently, based solely on powerful speech or “rational argumentation”. The human being changes because he wants to change, and that want, is only borne from experience.

This change, real change, won’t take place simply because we contribute money to the best candidate, go to church on Sunday, hold a sign at a rally, and then, as if the “laundry list of obligations to our fellow man” is done, we rest, and expect “change”. It will occur when we are honest with ourselves, acknowledging that we have an infinite desire for everything and that this is a truly human tendency, and thus to not avoid or suppress it but to seek out the One and Only that can meet our needs. It will take years, decades, maybe centuries, of interacting with our families, friends, co-workers and provoking them to not defend their ideological positions, but provoking them to realize the fact of Christ in YOUR life, by your words but more importantly actions, provoking them to realize that their infinite desires, the same ones you possess, can be and will be fulfilled by Him, not only in “heaven” (wherever that is), but beginning HERE and NOW. That is when true change, or really “conversion” occurs. When one’s own life is impacted in reality. When one’s own reality is changed, by what can only be the God-Man Jesus. It’s hard work, co-operating with Jesus in this fashion, much more difficult, much more time consuming, with far fewer immediate visible victories in probably our lifetimes. But it’s the only way to change anything; it’s the only way to change ourselves.

Until and unless such a conversion occurs, there will be no change. There will be no sea change of the country. The populace will continue to vacillate between the “R” and the “D”, ever seeking after and attempting to grasp by their own power which they know not, which is fulfillment of their infinite desires. The Tea Party will fade, the Pledge to America will become another broken “Contract”, and the goal of a prosperous, peaceful America will seem even further away.

The only way to save our nation is to save humanity. The only way to save humanity is to show our neighbor (in every sense of the word neighbor) that there is a better way to live, and to view life, not through argument or confrontation, or worse, the force of “our” government, but through the saving and immediate reality of Christ in your life. No one can change a man’s heart, permanently, but Him. We all (or many of us here) “know” this, but rarely (and I count myself too here) do we “act” upon and with this knowledge.

Until we do, there will be no change. Until and unless, no Pledge no “movement”, no human action based solely on human power will ever succeed. History has shown this. More importantly personal experience shows this. All human based efforts eventually fail. Faith can and does move mountains, but only real faith, a faith that is the “substance of things hoped for”, the SUBSTANCE. A reality. Not a fantasy, not some dream to make us feel better about our mortality, to assuage our fears of “hell” (wherever that is too).

Until and unless our faith is real, in every sense of the word “real”, then there can be no real change. Without it, we have all lost already, liberal and conservative. Without it, we have already lost our own humanity.


31 posted on 09/24/2010 7:51:23 AM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: Wpin

32 posted on 09/24/2010 7:57:15 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Arbitrary power is most easily established on the ruins of liberty abused to licentiousness. -GW)
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To: Wpin

It’s a start, but it, really, doesn’t go far enough: no tax reforms (flat tax v.s. fair tax discussions and eventual enactment), no balanced budget amendment, and no federal term limits discussions and eventual enactment, among other issues dear to conservatism. I hope that all of these things that I mentioned really will be discussed fully and then really voted on, asap. I doubt that federal term limits will, ever, be agreed to. I, also, hope that the GOP, really, won’t ever “go squishy” again and become just like Democrats! RINO Republicanism must end, asap!


33 posted on 09/24/2010 9:20:03 AM PDT by johnthebaptistmoore (If leftist legislation that's already in place really can't be ended by non-leftists, then what?)
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To: Wpin

I very much like the preamble.

I have yet to red the detail; however, a reversal of course and a step in the right direction is what is needed to begin the journey back SO although some may argue detail there is no arguing direction...


34 posted on 09/24/2010 2:30:20 PM PDT by DBeers (†)
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To: Wpin

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Powerful Mike Pence speech on the presidency:
http://vimeo.com/15202566

Exerpts:

“The president is not our teacher, our tutor, our guide or ruler. He does not command us, we command him. We serve neither him nor his vision. It is not his job or his prerogative to redefine custom, law and beliefs; to appropriate industries; to seize the country, as it were, by the shoulders or by the throat so as to impose by force of theatrical charisma his justice upon 300 million others. It is neither his job nor his prerogative to shift the power of decision away from them, and to him and the acolytes of his choosing.”

“The President of the United States of America bows to no man.
You do not bow to kings.
When in foreign lands, you do not criticize your own country.
You do not argue the case against the United States, but, rather, the case for it.
You do not apologize to the enemies of the United States.
Should you be confused, a country, people, or region that harbors, shelters, supports, encourages, or cheers attacks upon our country, the slaughter of our children, our mothers, our fathers, our sisters, and brothers… are enemies of the United States. And, to repeat, you do not apologize to them.”

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35 posted on 09/24/2010 3:36:07 PM PDT by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: Wpin

Should we trust Republicans again this time? Anyone remember the Contract with America? Sounds familiar? They didn’t keep there promises then, will they keep it now? Or has the Tea Party Movement truly changed the Republican Party?

http://mazzeo-freeworldblog.blogspot.com/

If this is for real and we get true Conservative Republicans and not RINO Republicans that act like Democrats then I am all for this.


36 posted on 09/24/2010 5:23:17 PM PDT by Mgm3com ("I would remind you that extremism, in the defense of liberty, is no vice." - Goldwater)
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To: Mgm3com

Where is the mention of these damned illegals and our border security. Did they chicken out on that?


37 posted on 09/24/2010 9:54:41 PM PDT by Benchim
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To: Democrat_media

Government must get smaller, there is no alternative.

I will support conservative candidates in this election and I think it will take a long time for things to change.

“Repeal and replace” is a non-starter for me, we don’t need Romneycare or Obamacare Lite as a replacement.

The answer which will take a GOP president elected in 2012 who is a real conservative is “repeal and forget about bringing it back in any way shape or form.”


38 posted on 09/25/2010 1:15:02 AM PDT by Nextrush (Slocialist Republicans and Socialist Democrats need to go)
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To: Nextrush

How about just keep it simple and follow the Constitution? Always worked before.


39 posted on 09/25/2010 2:47:50 AM PDT by LibsRJerks
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To: LibsRJerks

Brevity is the soul of wit.


40 posted on 09/25/2010 4:05:09 AM PDT by Nextrush (Slocialist Republicans and Socialist Democrats need to go)
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