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Gov. Christie calls Tyler Clementi's Suicide an 'Unspeakable Tragedy'
NJ.com ^ | 9/30/10 | Matt Friedman

Posted on 09/30/2010 11:28:41 AM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta

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To: mel

What difference does what make? That he engaged in an irrational act in response to a violation of his privacy?

Everything, he did not act in a rational or sane way.


61 posted on 09/30/2010 12:21:46 PM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: Opinionated Blowhard

I don’t know if wrongful death or involuntary manslaughter would stand as a matter of law or with a jury. But these kids did commit a felony. They did not consider any possible consequences other than their thrill and maybe Clementi’s shame. Nevertheless, someone died at least indirectly from their commission of a crime. Therefore, they are not entitled to any mercy or mitigation of the punishment for the crime they did commit.

If 5 years is the maximum penalty for the crime they did commit, I would have no problem if the evidence is as presented with giving them the full punishment under the law. Most drunk drivers do not intend to kill anyone. Nevertheless, people are killed and the drunk drivers go to prison for a very long time.


62 posted on 09/30/2010 12:23:29 PM PDT by Truth is a Weapon (If I weren't afraid of the feds, I would refer to Obama as our "undocumented POTUS")
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To: VRWCmember
You are stretching with your analogies. Those are highly indirect actions and would have as little standing as an insurance claim against the proverbial ‘butterfly in Africa’ causing the storm that blew over your home.

In this case, the two roommates knowingly committed a crime against this kid. The crime indirectly resulted in his death. There may have been other circumstances involved, but a direct connection between Crime A and Death B can be shown.

It is about personal responsibility- they may not have intended the results, but they chose to commit a crime that resulted in the kids death.

If a guy robs a liquor store and the store owner, so in fear for his life, dies of a heart attack, the robber is charged in his death. No, he didn't directly kill the guy, and there may have been other circumstances that contributed to his heart attack, however, Crime A can be directly associated with Death B.

63 posted on 09/30/2010 12:23:47 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: VRWCmember

Look at the recent case in Florida, did anybody express their anger at the Muslims that were threatening violence over the Koran burning? No, it was all reserved for the guy burning the Korans.


64 posted on 09/30/2010 12:23:54 PM PDT by dfwgator (Texas Rangers - AL West Champions)
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To: Lando Lincoln
I’ll bet the courts will decide that question.

They may indeed. And if there is any semblance of rule of law applied, the first question would be "What was the cause of death?" The second question would be "Did the videotaping of the sexual encounter cause the victim to die?"

65 posted on 09/30/2010 12:24:03 PM PDT by VRWCmember (Jesus called us to be Salt and Light, not Vinegar and Water.)
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To: nbenyo

I believe in personal responsibility. I do not believe in purposeful and shameful violation of someone elses privacy.

The humiliation of having this on the web was just way over the top.

Nobody deserves to have this done to them.


66 posted on 09/30/2010 12:24:28 PM PDT by dforest
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To: Dr. Scarpetta
There are so many morals to this story:

Don't have sex outside of marriage.

Don't have sex with another man.

Don't video people having sex.

Don't commit suicide.

And on a societal level, don't stop teaching basic morality to young people, including all of the above.

When we teach young people that all of the above are acceptable activities, why are we surprised when such activities actually happen?
67 posted on 09/30/2010 12:25:39 PM PDT by Antoninus (It's long past time for conservatives to stop voting for Republican liberals. Enough!)
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To: HamiltonJay

Have you ever raised any teenagers?

What seems rational and sane to an adult hasn’t been a part of their life experience yet.

Their frontal lobes haven’t fully developed yet. I do speak in generalizations. All three of these teens are proof of my generalization.

The drinking, hooking, prat stunts, and cheating are not sane or rational either, yet it is endemic on college campuses.


68 posted on 09/30/2010 12:26:39 PM PDT by jacquej
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

We cannot even begin to imagine the inner heartbreak this family is going through. This is so totally sad and what the hell business is it of anyone else anyway? Who gave those two morons the right to hide a camera and film someone in a private moment? Then to call someone else so they would know as well? What is wrong with these two people. SOMETHING is wrong with them. This is not normal behavior. It is perverted. They were the cause of this bright young man leaving our world when he should have just been beginning his bright future. I will pray for his family and may this young fella be at peace in the arms of the Lord.

As for the two vile perpetrators...all I can say to them is what is done is done and cannot be taken back. I wonder how funny they think it is now that they destroyed a life, wrought heartache and grief on a family just because they thought it was fun to do what they did. God forgive them.

May Celenti’s soul rest in peace.


69 posted on 09/30/2010 12:28:53 PM PDT by cubreporter ( Trust Rush and you won't go wrong.)
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To: mnehring

“He killed himself in part, because of actions they chose to do.”

You may believe that, but it is NOT a fact.


70 posted on 09/30/2010 12:28:59 PM PDT by swain_forkbeard (Rationality may not be sufficient, but it is necessary.)
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To: dfwgator
Are we sure this was the only contributing factor to his decision to end his life, or merely the straw that broke the camel’s back?

This is the sort of sensible question that nobody seems to be asking. The tape/broadcast seems like a cruel stunt, but unless this boy were already seriously unstable, I cannot imagine it would lead to his suicide.

71 posted on 09/30/2010 12:29:48 PM PDT by madprof98 ("moritur et ridet" - salvianus)
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To: Dr. Scarpetta
Prayers to his family. Please do not respond with negativity.

While I applaud you for having the good sense to request such a thing...this would be a great opportunity to put the house bigots in their ugly place.

To all you "FRiends" who think homosexuality is a lifestyle choice...tantamount to choosing beer or wine with your meal? Your bigotry disgusts me.

72 posted on 09/30/2010 12:30:27 PM PDT by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon))
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To: mnehring
If a guy robs a liquor store and the store owner, so in fear for his life, dies of a heart attack, the robber is charged in his death

But in this case, the heart attack occurred during the commission of the crime, and forensics can directly determine the increased stress level caused the attack. Can we really know what was in this kid's head?

73 posted on 09/30/2010 12:30:57 PM PDT by dfwgator (Texas Rangers - AL West Champions)
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To: jacquej

Yes I have, and at 18 to decide to kill oneself over something like this is NOT sane or rational behavior even for a typical 18 year old.

Sorry, but I’m not buying into the, oh they are kids line of BS. Its hogwash, and nonsense.

It is tragic that this young man decided to kill himself, but I suspect there is FAR FAR more to the story than what the gay activist spin groups are using his death for. My suspicion is that he had other issues, diagnosed or perhaps swept under the rug.

I am not fully convinced that the straight line cause and effect that the lazy mainstream press has jumped on as an easy story is the whole story, and frankly because it serves a PR purpose for some groups, I doubt that the entire true story will ever be told.


74 posted on 09/30/2010 12:31:29 PM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: mel

“...there are many examples of stuff like this causing someone to kill themself.”

Correlation is not causation. If the bullying were causative, how to explain all the bullying that never leads to suicide?


75 posted on 09/30/2010 12:31:53 PM PDT by swain_forkbeard (Rationality may not be sufficient, but it is necessary.)
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To: swain_forkbeard

You claim supreme knowledge that this would have happened if they had not broken the law and publically outed him?


76 posted on 09/30/2010 12:32:04 PM PDT by fml
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To: Flavious_Maximus

oh good grief, there have been numerous examples of suicides of public humiliation


77 posted on 09/30/2010 12:33:07 PM PDT by mel (since progressive is code word for anti- i am a progressive progressive)
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

There is something missing in our kids today that they would even think of doing what they did. How on earth did they think that would be acceptable? The total lack of compassion is stunning. These kids are souless.


78 posted on 09/30/2010 12:34:36 PM PDT by McGavin999 ("I was there when we had the numbers, but didn't have the principles"-Jim DeMint)
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To: fml

“You claim supreme knowledge ...”

Hardly. I’ll leave that to those who claim they know why the kid killed himself.


79 posted on 09/30/2010 12:35:46 PM PDT by swain_forkbeard (Rationality may not be sufficient, but it is necessary.)
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To: fml

And what about the other boy he was with, did he choose to kill himself over this?


80 posted on 09/30/2010 12:35:51 PM PDT by dfwgator (Texas Rangers - AL West Champions)
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