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Warrior culture among Norwegians in Afghanistan under scrutiny (Too eager to kill the enemy)
VG ^ | 27.09.2010 | VG

Posted on 10/01/2010 11:48:33 AM PDT by Eurotwit

Norwegian soldiers in Afghanistan unofficially use the "Punisher-skull" (from the comic/movie The Punisher) as an emblem. It’s got the text "Jokke, we will never forget!" as a tribute to the fellow soldier who got killed by a roadside bomb in January 2010. The senior Taliban leader and bomb making expert suspected of arranging the ambush that killed Claes Joachim Olsson, was himself killed this summer in an operation by Olssons unit.

Soldiers of the "Mek 4" are spray painting the skull on buildings of suspected Taliban members as warnings to them. There are reports of several irregualar patrols, where the Norwegian soldiers seem to be seeking fire fights in order to kill enemies "without a clear mandate to do so" by the Army High Command (government/establishment).

Soldiers have also expressed a great feeling of joy (better than sex) when involved in combat: "Seeing the "red mist" in your optics is an incredible feeling" (a soldier quoted by the newspaper VG http://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/a...artid=10036779 )

"You become so high on adrenaline before you draw the trigger. You want to shoot all the time when you have "verified weapon" and know that the enemy is a legitimate target. When you finally get to fire, you become blood-focused. We do anything to hit, to kill. Sometimes you're lucky, I hit a Taliban warrior in the neck from 2770 meter on february 2 this year - Man, there was cheering!"

The company commander, major Kristian Simonsen, has expressed: I have utilized the troops with the intention of killing, and we have been successful. I don't reflect on having killed someone. They have chosen to enter the battlefield with the intention to kill us, that makes us equally guilty of the outcome. We are the two parties of a war".

The Telemark Batallion 4th mechanized company's warcry is "Til Valhall!" (To Valhalla!). The warcry was shouted three times by the unit after a flaming speech by an officer in a closed ceremony in relation to Olssons death.

The unit's field priest reacted when he heard about the incident and reported the soldiers "warmongering ethics and dangerous behaviour" to senior officers a while ago.

The Norwegian gouvernment is in flames over this, claiming it to be "a vengeful, and dangerous path" that the soldiers should stop following.

The subject has been a hot potato in the Norwegian press today. The defence minister (labour party) Grete Faremoe is strongly regretting the trend and calls for reactions. The leader of the moderate opposition, Erna Solberg, sees on the other hand no need to panic over the soldier's conduct.

http://www.vg.no/nyheter/utenriks/ar...artid=10036833


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This has been the huge media issue here in Norway this week. A later video came out showing a speech in the Telemark (Telemark is where the Norwegian and English forces stopped Hitlers attempt at making a atmoic bomb) battalion:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1eMONDyFRM

The officer says: "You are the predators. The Taliban are your prey!!"

The use of Old norse symbolism is being associated with neo-nazism.

I guess I wanted the input of your guys here. There are many currently serving members and many ex service members here.

As an aside, the Telemark battalion did get the Taliban commander responsible for Jokke's death with the help of American soldiers:

Norwegian, American and Afghan forces were Thursday evening in the battle with insurgents in Kwaja Kinti in Qeysar, southwest of the Norwegian base in Maimana.

Several insurgents were killed in clashes. Defence confirmed today that a leading roadside bomb experts were among those killed.

Taliban leader Mullah Ghulam Hazrat has long been wanted on suspicion of planting a number of IED attacks in Ghowrmach district of Faryab.

Hazrat will, among other things, have been behind the roadside bomb that killed the Norwegian coach driver Claes Joachim Olsson 25 January this year.

Olsson was killed when the armored car he struck out an IED in Ghowrmach district.

Hazrat was killed by fire from armored vehicles from the Norwegian infantry force in Maimana, the same force Olsson belonged.

Mullah Ghulam Hazrat considered to be the main man behind a number of IED attacks in the Faryab province, and to on several occasions have been in Pakistan to receive training in making IED's.

The province is ethnically mixed, and has been marked by local conflicts for a long time.

1 posted on 10/01/2010 11:48:37 AM PDT by Eurotwit
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To: Eurotwit

Clickable youtube link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1eMONDyFRM

To me its heartwarming.

Valhalla....

I am a Christian, but to me Valhalla signifies heaven.


2 posted on 10/01/2010 11:49:45 AM PDT by Eurotwit
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To: Eurotwit
Inglorious Basterds
3 posted on 10/01/2010 11:51:19 AM PDT by AU72
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To: Eurotwit

Maybe they’ll revive the Viking blood eagle.


4 posted on 10/01/2010 11:51:57 AM PDT by Spok (Free Range Republican)
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To: Eurotwit

These guys sound AWESOME. Take away the pansy socialism and the ol’ Viking spirit returns.


5 posted on 10/01/2010 11:51:57 AM PDT by lazypadawan
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To: Eurotwit

The Viking spirit still lives on.


6 posted on 10/01/2010 11:52:39 AM PDT by ThinkingBuddha
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To: ThinkingBuddha

In the grunts it does. Not so among the liberal political elite - including the head brass of the military.


7 posted on 10/01/2010 11:56:04 AM PDT by Eurotwit
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To: Eurotwit

Lets see ... Viking warrior sprit (check)
Lots of bullets and guns (check)
Target rich environment (check)
Troops willing to take the fight to the enemy (check)

Sounds like plan


8 posted on 10/01/2010 11:56:23 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: Eurotwit
No good deed goes unpunished!

The liberal will not be happy until these soldiers wear pink panties and run around Afghanistan asking for forgiveness, apologizing for the crusades and being evil white Christians.

What symbol are they supposed to use?

That's what I had painted on my HMMWVs in Iraq- And screw you if you don't like that!

9 posted on 10/01/2010 11:56:33 AM PDT by Red6 (IMHO)
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To: Eurotwit

Oh sh!t these guys are badasses!! It is refreshing they don’t subscribe to political correctness.


10 posted on 10/01/2010 11:57:19 AM PDT by Amerikan_Samurai
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To: Eurotwit

Very nice. I was thinking the other day..could these people really be decendents of the Vikings?


11 posted on 10/01/2010 11:57:28 AM PDT by bkepley
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The Viking spirit is still there — buried under years of socialist PC nonsense perhaps but still there when it's needed

God bless them.

12 posted on 10/01/2010 11:58:14 AM PDT by Cowman (How can the IRS seize property without a warrant if the 4th amendment still stands?)
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To: Eurotwit

I believe Odin would be proud of his children..........


13 posted on 10/01/2010 11:58:29 AM PDT by sniper63 (I am the leader of the TEA Party, I, myself am the leader of me, myself for I am the TEA Party!)
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To: Eurotwit

In war, you can get mad, or get scared...

If you get scared you get killed, if you get mad, you do the killing.

That’s a paraphrase, obviously, but a very accurate quote... These guys have the right attitude for war. War is hell, and it involves beating your enemy into abject submission, nothing less. Fighting a war with any other intent is a waste of men and national treasure.


14 posted on 10/01/2010 12:00:56 PM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: Eurotwit

>unit’s field priest reacted when he heard about the incident and reported the soldiers “warmongering ethics and dangerous behaviour” to senior officers

One STOOOPID Priest.


15 posted on 10/01/2010 12:01:05 PM PDT by swarthyguy (KIDS! Deficit, Debt,Taxes!Pfft Lookit the bright side of our legacy -Ummrika is almost SmokFrei!)
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To: Eurotwit

I am a former active duty United States Marine and I approve of the actions and courage of this Norwegian military unit.


16 posted on 10/01/2010 12:02:02 PM PDT by Amerikan_Samurai
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To: Eurotwit
OMG

Soldiers said something that is not self victimizing, didn't act and look emasculated and dared say that soldiering can be fun!

Ever notice that in the liberal media they will gladly, LOVE TO, print negative comments about the leadership within a military unit, or print the views of some disgruntled soldier, or portray them as suffering victims of the war. BUT DARE say that you enjoy your profession, that war can be fun/exciting/adventurous, that there are things about soldiering that no other profession on earth has and you're a sick pervert, a monster, a horrible guy!

17 posted on 10/01/2010 12:04:36 PM PDT by Red6 (IMHO)
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To: Eurotwit

“warmongering ethics and dangerous behaviour”....????

In a war zone?.....imagine that?


18 posted on 10/01/2010 12:05:08 PM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: Eurotwit
If the politicians get too annoying, the soldiers should assert that they are Ásatrúar(1), so Viking chants are just religious statements.

Come to think of it, it would probably do their morale wonders. Foreningen Forn Sed formed in 1999 and has been recognized by the Norwegian government as a religious organization.

(1) Being Norwegian, technically I think they would be Åsatruar.

19 posted on 10/01/2010 12:05:15 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: Eurotwit

There is a lot to like about Norway, and a lot not to. Hydro-electricity and a national budget surplus it generates. But the wage compression there is brutal, fines and fees are determined by net worth or income and it is a socialist country. Granted the only Norwegians that I have met have been engineers, I never met one I did not like.


20 posted on 10/01/2010 12:06:07 PM PDT by JoSixChip (You think your having a bad day?.....Just remember, somewhere out there is a Mr. Pelosi!)
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