Posted on 10/03/2010 9:12:54 AM PDT by kristinn
Nope they cannot.
"Texas has yet to learn submission to any oppression, come from what source it may." ~Sam Houston (Some things don't change.)
>>>”If I misunderstood your position, I apologize—my position, in part, is that we must distinguish wisely between those with the label “Muslim” and the Islamofascists who wish us harm.”
Sorry to interject, as I know your conversation is with TalBlack. You’re right there are many different types of Muslims, because muslims are people, just like Christians or Jews, hindus, etc. But, many types of muslims (people) do not change & have not changed the core, basics, and the foundations of Islam itself in 1400 years!
More so because Islam means and is about “submission” to ALL its core teachings & laws as stated, by ALL muslims. Islam does not allow for picking & choosing. This means, if you are born a muslim you should be practicing, believe in, and submit to ALL OF ISLAM, not the bits & pieces that suit you as a (whatever) muslim. Otherwise, you can be considered, as examples, an apostate, a kaffir (unbeliever) or a mischievous person, all punishable in Islamic law.
If we are talking about different sects of Islam, then people mentioned in this article for example should have specified which school (sect) of Islam they belong to, and in turn, which school (sect) believes in what specific Islamic practices, laws, Koranic teachings, hadiths, sunnahs, etc... Other than that, there are no Islamic schools (sects) called moderate, radical, fundamental, or extremist Islam.
“And to think that Congress just sits there with their finger up their.....”
I’ll finish your statement for you....
“.....collective asses.”
Ding, ding, ding... I GET IT.
CNN picked him - and he does represent the thinking of quite a few Muslim leaders.
I mean, this lady in your studio, she should be covering with the hijab.
That ugly witch, Christiane Amanpour, would be a lot easier on the eyes covered from head to toe with a hijab, a tarp, a tent...ANYTHING! And, to further Choudary's suggestion, a bar of soap in her vile mouth would be welcome, too.
I will go a step further. They will not stop until ONE man (the Caliphate/Madhi) rules everyone/everything on planet earth. I will now tell you that, that ONE person is the one the Bible calls the ‘antichrist’... the destroyer.
Check back in a few years to this post and see if I am correct.
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If you are correct, unfortunately I won’t be able to check back.
I don’t think the audience was any more stunned than when Choudary said “the Islam flag will fly over the White House”.
http://www.bluegrasspundit.com/2010/10/muslim-leader-anjem-choudary-flag-of.html
My daughter and I just had a discussion on this, and she made the same point. Here is my counter-point. (Which I acknowledge flagrantly violates Goodwin's law.)
To understand any ideology you should first judge it by what it says about itself, from the most authoratative figures. To understand Islam one should read the Koran and sayings of Mohammad, and the main schools of interpretation on them. One should really try to understand Islam for yourself, by reading the primary texts.
To understand the ideology of Nazism one should read Mein Kampf. Once one read Mein Kampf one would understand that pathological hatred of the Jews was inherent in Nazism, that intense Nationalism and "Deutseland Uber Alles" were key components of this ideology, that war and violence were likely to be part of any Nazi rule.
Most of the counter arguments made by the Islam supporters could be made about Nazism:
Of course we would all reject such arguments as simplistic, naive and disengenuous. Yet, these are exactly the same arguments that those favoring apeasment of Islam make repeatedly.
Hopefully my points have shown the stupidity of these arguments when made about Islam. Islam is a specific ideology. It may not be as rigid as Nazism, but neither is it as broad as its supporters pretend.
It has a source (the Koran and Mohammed) and it clear from reading the source docuemnts that it is a totalitarian ideology. That is: it believes in it's own right and duty to rule everything, everywere. It requires Submission. (Islam means "submission" in Arabic) It does not value plurality or human rights.
It is fair to judge Islam by it's core texts and basic beliefs. To fail to do so because "there are millions of good Moslems" is as irresponsible as it would have been to fail to condemn Nazism because there are millions of good German members of the Party. There were, but that did not change either the evil that was the Nazi movement, or the predictable results when they achieved power.
how more obvious do you need?
“Do these radical feminists have even an inkling what’s coming for them under Sharia law?”
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If you had to get the hangover before you could drink too much no one would ever drink too much, yet people who KNOW they will get a terrible hangover still drink too much because they can have the enjoyment before the pain. Humans aren’t nearly as smart as we suppose ourselves to be, are we?
I’m sure it will.
With the help of freaks like the Congress we have now none the less.
Now we are expected to give most of it all up...for the good of a fiendish world - a world that has either become socialist secular or islamic.
We are heading towards a clash of cultures the likes the world has never seen in over 600 years.
(LAUGHTER)
This is no laughing matter, you fools! Takia is exactly what is going on. Including Christiane Amanpour, who is making it easy in the way she steers the discussion. I guess she can't wait to don that burqa and submit to Sharia law.
The left vacuuming our values is sadly an understatement. When you see reverse racism idiocy with leftist women activist accepting to be raped in Palestine while blaming us because that is “slave reparation” and reverse “rule” and legitimized slavery in the name of Shimon Perez’ altar of historicism (or alternatively that Columbian nutcase suing her government for her rescue from FARP guerrillas), we can see that the left is taking active measure to make the most absurd kind of revolution.
Why the media and activist lawyers support that mandate and blame christians? I am not sure... some powers out there might benefit, then again, it’s madness out there, upside down, good is bad and bad is good.
You made excellent points. I think, however, the influence of Islam for those that identify themselves as Muslim will, in the majority of cases, ultimately dominate the intentions of Western law and values when a choice needs to be made.
As Christians, we reject Islam which is not just a coincidence to the tenets of Western morality. Muslims obviously do not reject Islam.
A Muslim is someone who is a believer in Islam, which is an evil ideology, not unlike Hitler’s Nazism or the USSR’s Communism.
Instead of accommodating Islam and pretending that it is a peaceful “religion”, those of us who want to maintain freedom should call upon Muslims to reject it. Islam does not recognize our Constitution, or separation of “church” and state. It’s about theocracy, denial of religious freedom, denial of human rights, murder, terrorism, and barbaric “sharia” laws.
Obama tells us otherwise, and as usual he is completely wrong.
True, you might get kicked out of a Christian church for this or that but, in Islam......your ass is grass.
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