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L.A. County Sheriff Lee Baca says deputies would enforce marijuana laws even if Prop. 19 passes
LA Times blog ^ | 10/15/2010 | Staff

Posted on 10/17/2010 8:27:40 PM PDT by bornred

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To: Paddy Irish
I'm not a big fan of the income tax, so I get the small county I live in to outlaw the federal income tax.

If you would read and think about the Constitution, you'd realize how silly that is. The 16th Amendment has delegated such authority to fedgov. It would take another amendment to repeal it. I don't like a national income tax either, but it does pass constitutional muster.

That's what you guys are trying to do with reefer laws and medical marijuana.

That argument only works if you believe that fedgov is delegated such authority over intrastate commerce by the Commerce Clause. Do you believe that such authority is in keeping with original understanding... yes or no?

81 posted on 10/18/2010 3:43:51 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: Mojave; Carry_Okie

Mojave comment 64: “The City of Los Angeles is Chief Bratton and LAPD.”

Mojave comment 73: “Then your inability to distinguish between the city and the county is strange, to say the least.”

Uh, Mojave — the current LAPD chief is Charlie Beck, and it “is strange to say the least” that you blew that.

C_O has lived in the Santa Cruz area for about 20 years, and does amazingly well despite that terrible handicap. What’s your excuse?

Never mind, I hope you get my point. Sometimes when we cast stones we don’t realize we ourselves may live in glass houses.


82 posted on 10/18/2010 5:07:30 PM PDT by Avoiding_Sulla (Yesterday's Left = today's status quo. Thus CONSERVATIVE is a conflicted label for battling tyranny.)
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To: Ken H

No I don’t. Do you think that by legalizing/opening medical marijuana shops in Michigan, that you’ve fixed the problem of an over-intrusive federal government?


83 posted on 10/18/2010 5:21:46 PM PDT by Paddy Irish
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To: Avoiding_Sulla
the current LAPD chief is Charlie Beck

And how does that make Los Angeles County Sheriff Baca responsible for the policies of the City of Los Angeles LAPD policies towards illegal aliens under Bratton and Beck, or of the Sanctuary City status that was in place under both Bratton and Beck?

84 posted on 10/18/2010 5:26:27 PM PDT by Mojave (Ignorant and stoned - Obama's natural constituency.)
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To: Mojave

ROTFLMAO.


85 posted on 10/18/2010 5:37:44 PM PDT by Avoiding_Sulla (Yesterday's Left = today's status quo. Thus CONSERVATIVE is a conflicted label for battling tyranny.)
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To: Avoiding_Sulla

That’s a common side effect.


86 posted on 10/18/2010 5:38:58 PM PDT by Mojave (Ignorant and stoned - Obama's natural constituency.)
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To: Mojave

Glad you admit it. You had me worried for a moment.


87 posted on 10/18/2010 5:42:28 PM PDT by Avoiding_Sulla (Yesterday's Left = today's status quo. Thus CONSERVATIVE is a conflicted label for battling tyranny.)
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To: Avoiding_Sulla

Could you try that in English?


88 posted on 10/18/2010 5:44:15 PM PDT by Mojave (Ignorant and stoned - Obama's natural constituency.)
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To: PLMerite

Without getting to detailed, new regulations would have to be created.

Currently firearm parts are not regulated. Only the frames are tracked.

For example the only part of an AR-15 that you would currently have to get a background check to buy from a dealer is the lower receiver. All the rest is just parts.


89 posted on 10/18/2010 6:33:04 PM PDT by born2bfree
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To: Paddy Irish
No I don't. Do you think that by legalizing/opening medical marijuana shops in Michigan, that you've fixed the problem of an over-intrusive federal government?

It doesn't 'fix' the problem, but it does frustrate the federal government in carrying out what we both agree is an unconstitutional policy. Such efforts to bolster the Tenth Amendment and jab an overly intrusive fedgov should be supported.

90 posted on 10/18/2010 6:57:22 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: Avoiding_Sulla; Mojave; politicalmerc
The idea that I have some inability to distinguish a city and a county is absurd on its face. There is a hugely important legal distinction between the Sheriff and the Chief of Police:

The Sheriff is the chief law enforcement officer in the jurisdiction, period, State and Federal law notwithstanding. The reason is not commonly understood, but should be, because it is rooted in common law dating back to the Magna Carta and before: The Sheriff was appointed by the Sovereign. In America, the Sovereign is the people who elect the Sheriff.

There are cases throughout the rural West where County Sheriffs have ejected enforcing agents of the Federal Government, usually representing BLM, USFS, or Fish and Wildlife.

This is why Baca's choice to enforce Federal law over the State that charters the County in the first place is so interesting. It sets a very odd precedent.

As to you Mojave, your impenetrable centric has proven itself beneath contention:

Clear as an unmuddied lake, Av.
As clear as an azure sky of deepest summer.

91 posted on 10/18/2010 11:16:03 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by central planning.)
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To: Smogger
You're thinking of Congressman Joe Baca (D-Fontana). Sheriff Lee Baca is a RINO.
92 posted on 10/19/2010 2:04:51 AM PDT by Redcloak (What's your zombie plan?)
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To: Carry_Okie
The Sheriff was appointed by the Sovereign. In America, the Sovereign is the people who elect the Sheriff.

Which has exactly nothing to do with city policy, as you bizarrely claimed. The people elect the Sheriff for the county.

This is why Baca's choice to enforce Federal law over the State that charters the County in the first place is so interesting.

That's good and nebulous. How exactly is the Sheriff enforcing Federal law over the State?

State law does not provide for prosecuting illegal aliens based on their status, but neither does it prevent the Sheriff from referring them to ICE. By your murky "logic", the Sheriff wouldn't even be able to notify the DEA of drug offenses or the Secret Service of counterfeiting operations.

93 posted on 10/19/2010 3:10:32 AM PDT by Mojave (Ignorant and stoned - Obama's natural constituency.)
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To: Redcloak
Yeah. I guess he claims to be registered Republican. What a crock. No I wasn't confused. It's just that Lee Baca so consistently supports Democrats candidates and liberal causes I was sure he was a Rat!

Joe Baca is my Congresscritter :-(

94 posted on 10/19/2010 11:45:44 AM PDT by Smogger
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To: Carry_Okie

What’s most clear is how hopelessly infiltrated with moles, paid (venal) and due to blind-following (stupidity), this place has become.

When hacks refuse to concede even the most obvious error, it surely reveals their lack of candor better than anything anyone could say.


95 posted on 10/19/2010 2:20:02 PM PDT by Avoiding_Sulla (Yesterday's Left = today's status quo. Thus CONSERVATIVE is a conflicted label for battling tyranny.)
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To: Avoiding_Sulla; Mojave
When hacks refuse to concede even the most obvious error, it surely reveals their lack of candor better than anything anyone could say.

Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity, sic...

96 posted on 10/19/2010 2:31:48 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by central planning.)
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To: Carry_Okie
Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity

Like claiming that the Los Angles County Sheriff sets the policies of the city of Los Angeles Police Department? Or pretending that the Los Angles County Sheriff has not referred 11,000 illegal aliens for deportation to ICE? Or asserting that the Sheriff can't refer dopers to the DEA because the "common law dating back to the Magna Carta" someone mysteriously prevented it?

I suppose all three of those could be attributable to stupidity.

97 posted on 10/19/2010 4:29:20 PM PDT by Mojave (Ignorant and stoned - Obama's natural constituency.)
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To: Avoiding_Sulla

Hacks strain at gnats while swallowing camels.


98 posted on 10/19/2010 4:31:49 PM PDT by Mojave (Ignorant and stoned - Obama's natural constituency.)
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To: Smogger
Joe Baca is my Congresscritter :-(

Cheer up... Joe Baca isn't all that bad. He's a loyal friend to California gun owners.

99 posted on 10/19/2010 10:52:54 PM PDT by Redcloak (What's your zombie plan?)
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To: bornred

“Baca said the proposition was superseded by federal law and...”

Mighty white of him... how’s he feel about FEDERAL LAW on ILLEGALS!

Look the other way...

Hypocrite.


100 posted on 10/30/2010 9:53:32 AM PDT by pansgold
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