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NIST Backs Proposal for a Revamped System of Measurement Units
NIST ^ | 10/26/2010 | NIST

Posted on 11/08/2010 11:57:39 AM PST by zeugma

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Interesting. I didn't know that the kilogram was the only measurement standard we currently have that is based on a physical object.
1 posted on 11/08/2010 11:57:41 AM PST by zeugma
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I propose a new unit of weight. We shall call it the “Obama.”

The weight of One Obama is the equivalent of the total amount of bovine excrement that can fit in the Oval Office at one time.


2 posted on 11/08/2010 12:03:54 PM PST by RockinRight (if the choice is between Crazy and Commie, I choose Crazy.)
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To: RockinRight

What’s that in English?


3 posted on 11/08/2010 12:11:04 PM PST by rickomatic
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Basically all the measurments in the metric system are now based on measurable physical properties. For example, the meter is based on the wavelength of light emitted from the atom Krypton. The sole exception is the kilogram which as the article mentions is based on an actual block of material stored in France. There used to be an actual “mother of all” meter sticks in France. The problem with the kg block is it changes over time so the kg is not a constant measure. The idea is to find some physical property that can be defined as a kg.


4 posted on 11/08/2010 12:21:47 PM PST by C19fan
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To: RockinRight

how about The Pelosi for the weight filling the volume of Congress?


5 posted on 11/08/2010 12:27:03 PM PST by NonValueAdded (Palin 2012)
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To: zeugma

The SI system is global hegemony on the part of France.


6 posted on 11/08/2010 12:37:31 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: zeugma

All of the lab work that I oversee has to use instrumentation that is traceable to NIST standards.

I wonder how a scale is supposed to be calibrated to Plank’s constant?

IOW - it is commendable that NIST is attempting to use standards that have greater stability, but how practical is the new standard?


7 posted on 11/08/2010 12:45:02 PM PST by kidd
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To: zeugma

The last one we lost was the meter, which had some relation to the distance from the equator to the North Pole, and made a metal bar that length. Then they found out that Earth measurement wasn’t right, and kept the bar as the standard. Then they defined it as some wavelength of an atom that matched the bar’s length. Now they define it by the speed of light, with something about relativity thrown in.

The all of these will continue to get redefined as science improves our understanding of the world. The funny part is that they redefine it at about what we currently think it is, giving some strange definitions.


8 posted on 11/08/2010 12:56:26 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: NonValueAdded
Sorry.

One "pelosi" has already been defined as the amount of lateral torque that can be applied to one square inch of facial skin before it disintegrates.

9 posted on 11/08/2010 1:00:17 PM PST by Notary Sojac (I've been ionized, but I'm okay now.)
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not sure I like the idea of all that Carbon 12-Platinum-Iridium being shot around at my local deli counter...


10 posted on 11/08/2010 1:20:33 PM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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I'm still rooting for the metric calendar and clock.

Think how much faster the day would go by if it were only 10 hours long...

11 posted on 11/08/2010 1:24:45 PM PST by Fundamentally Fair (If exercising the right to free speech invites violence, then girls in short skirts invite rape.)
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I wonder how a scale is supposed to be calibrated to Plank’s constant?

I'd assume that you'd have a known good device against you would calibrate your own equipment.

As time progresses and you're able to devise better ways to measure the properties of the universe, your known good device would have a higher and higher level of accuracy.
IOW - it is commendable that NIST is attempting to use standards that have greater stability, but how practical is the new standard?

For all practical purposes, they can now measure this stuff with enough significant digits as to make practical application of the standard moderately meaningless.



12 posted on 11/08/2010 1:31:15 PM PST by zeugma (Ad Majorem Dei Gloriam)
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Awww, you know the answer to this! The NIST standard is a secondary that is referenced to a primary. This primary would be one of the gold plated standards that are the subject of the article.

SI units are way easier to use in science but a hassle in engineering. When I have to do higher level calculations of most any sort, I resort to SI units in the equations. Then though as an engineer, I will need to convert the final results to English units so that the audience will relate to the numbers. All of my lower level calculations are directly in English units though.

13 posted on 11/08/2010 1:33:16 PM PST by Hootowl99
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This assumes that these natural "constants" are really constant.
14 posted on 11/08/2010 1:40:19 PM PST by kosciusko51
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To: Fundamentally Fair

There is a metric calendar out there. I remember seeing a webpage dedicated to it when I was doing some surfing about the subject of time.


15 posted on 11/08/2010 1:42:17 PM PST by zeugma (Ad Majorem Dei Gloriam)
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This primary would be one of the gold plated standards that are the subject of the article

Thats what I'm wondering. The article notes that the standard for mass will be changed from a gold plated standard to one that is based on Planck's constant. How are the secondary standards calibrated against a primary standard that is based on a constant that has units of J-s?

16 posted on 11/08/2010 1:44:27 PM PST by kidd
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Converting to the metric system would seriously tax our public education system. Imagine having to rewrite text books with politically correct stories of how the meter was originally developed by aboriginal people before it was rediscovered by the French or how African tribal people weighed things in kilograms centuries before the French or how the entire metric system was conceived by Muslims. It just wouldn't be politically correct to say that a bunch of white guys in powdered wigs invented the metric system anymore than to say that white guys in powdered wigs wrote the US Constitution
17 posted on 11/08/2010 2:27:36 PM PST by The Great RJ (The Bill of Rights: Another bill members of Congress haven't read.)
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To: kosciusko51
This assumes that these natural "constants" are really constant.

I thought of that too. I think Murphy's rules of such things is as follows:
Constants aren't.
Variables dont.

18 posted on 11/08/2010 2:45:56 PM PST by zeugma (Ad Majorem Dei Gloriam)
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To: Fundamentally Fair

I think Monweds and Saturthurs are two of the days of the metric week.


19 posted on 11/08/2010 2:50:59 PM PST by Walmartian
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And this helps me to remember how many teaspoons are in a tablespoon how?

And what exactly will be the new serving size for ice cream. Are they fluid ounces or weight?

And why do the french get to hold onto the artifact. Don’t we have “top people...really, top people...” to hold onto important artifacts?


20 posted on 11/08/2010 3:04:29 PM PST by Vermont Lt (We are so screwed.)
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