Posted on 11/13/2010 7:17:00 AM PST by VU4G10
He was 3ft tall in his shiny black shoes and he wore his great-uncle’s medals with pride as he stood to attention in the rain.
Jonny Osborne, seven, symbolised the face of a new generation yesterday as he marched shoulder to shoulder with servicemen and women to honour those killed by war.
But three miles across London from the Armistice Day ceremony at the Cenotaph, another face of Britain was on display. It was contorted with hatred, poisoned by politics, and fuelled by flames from a giant, burning poppy.
These were the Muslim extremists who brought shame to the memory of the dead yesterday by breaking the traditional two-minute silence with chants of ‘British soldiers burn in hell’. Ironically, it was the freedom for which thousands fought that allowed them to stage their demonstration at the stroke of 11am – the exact moment the nation came to a halt at the Cenotaph, across the country, and after parallel services at British bases in Afghanistan.
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Damn, if that is a true story, we should dig Pershing up and give him a medal. You saw what happened to Colonel West for just scaring a mooj. I think political correctness is more dangerous than the muslim scum. Without it we could take care of the muslim scum in no time.
Hammerhead, where did you find that?
That is something I had never heard.
That is a very effective general.
Their appearance is not the worst of it. A local business employs a large number of Somalian Muslims. They seem to have trouble figuring out modern plumbing; toilets in particular. I’ve heard (second hand) that the men’s room there is disgusting beyond belief.
It’s a meat processing plant. I’m seriously considering not buying anything under that label.
Gulp....very touching.
The screen’s a little blurry right now.
I was afraid that the video you referenced was one of muslim demonstrations. And I almost didn’t watch it because I didn’t want to raise my blood pressure.
But it was just the opposite. What a wonderful video. Thanks for sharing it here.
I can't watch it this without tearing up, and I've seen it a dozen times. Must be getting old.
Man, the things you see when you don’t have a big bucket of gasoline handy.
But I’m being told over on the thread suggesting that the US should do a month-long observance like the poppy, that Britain isn’t being overrun by muslims and that Britons like National Health. ???
Current projections say that the projectors thus currently projecting will, by 2038, enjoy a headwear-based diet as they admire the concomitant porcine aerobatics.
We should mark a national General Pershing Day on the anniversary of that pig execution.
‘Great Britain is doomed. Its irreversible.’
Yeah, yeah, whatever.
Current projections say that Yanks like you are talking out of your arse.
1—The poppy is a wonderful symbol and the Poppy Appeal is a wonderful charity appeal which is supported by hundreds of millions in Britain and the Commonwealth, from Canada to Australia, New Zealand to Malta.
Please learn about it instead of sneering at it.
2—Britain is not being overrun by Muslims. The population of Muslims in Britain is 3%. And most British Muslims are neither extremists nor supporters of it. Like any group, most are decent hard working people. Stop believing the myths and hype that you read here or hear on talk radio.
At worst, Britain, like the west, indulges in inane PC-ism where Muslims and minorities are concerned.
BUT that is not the same as conquest or being a dhimmi state.
3—The majority of people in Britain support the NHS. They are aware that it badly needs restructuring. Most British people would retain the NHS, albeit with changes. Even conservatives would retain it, although most British conservatives would keep it as a healthcare for the genuinely needy, whilst promoting private healthcare heavily and creating greater access for the working public.
The NHS is NOT the hellhole many of you Stateside believe. In fact for all the antihype in America, its a much better system than the myth makes it out to be.
Is it perfect?. No.
But most who bash it in America have never been to Britain, let alone used the NHS.
Again, you need to stop taking your view on Britain from FreeRepublic, talk radio and taking much of what you read and hear about us as gospel.
Thank you for that. How cool was it when they returned the honor! Made my hair stand up.
“2—Britain is not being overrun by Muslims. The population of Muslims in Britain is 3%.”
There are more muslims in the UK than the US, and the muslims enjoy a pass on their hate speech. Why? Tolerance and yes, fear, of angering the perpetually angry.
“And most British Muslims are neither extremists nor supporters of it. Like any group, most are decent hard working people.”
On the contrary, their first allegiance is to their religion not the UK, and they do not, I repeat, DO NOT condemn the actions of the “few.” In fact, they applaud them, or at a minimum, attempt to mitigate the pig scat muslim terrorist actions by making excuses. Next time you are in a taxi driven by a muslim, ask him, if he had to choose between adhering to UK law or islamic "law." I can tell you from multiple experience, as I have been doing this experiment for years, what the answer will be.
“Stop believing the myths and hype that you read here or hear on talk radio.”
Paint with that broad brush, much?
“At worst, Britain, like the west, indulges in inane PC-ism where Muslims and minorities are concerned.”
In the case of the UK, it is the political elites that fear the muslims.
“BUT that is not the same as conquest or being a dhimmi state.”
Short walk from where you are, now, when you have active sharia courts in the UK.
“3—The majority of people in Britain support the NHS.”
Really, heck, I can't find many and I am in the UK at least twice a month, meeting all stripes, from lefty academics to, well, senior people, and they all rue the NHS, see it s ineffective, rationed, unclean and over-burdened. I also have the unique knowledge that comes with direct experience with the NHS when my wife suffered a medical emergency while in Ipswich. Let's just say the place was straight out of the 20’s or 30’s. with hardly an English-speaking person to be heard, and forget about finding an English-speaking doctor with western values and compassion. Nowhere to be found.
“They are aware that it badly needs restructuring.”
That is why they don't support it.
“Most British people would retain the NHS, albeit with changes.”
Admitting they would keep it with changes means they don't want to keep it, now. In other words, they don't support it.
“Even conservatives would retain it, although most British conservatives would keep it as a healthcare for the genuinely needy, whilst promoting private healthcare heavily and creating greater access for the working public.”
Everyone is “working public” if they have a job. Sheesh, what is this about the “working public?” People work, all people with a job work, especially those in the private sector-—from those that earn a few thousand pounds a year to a few million. They all work.
“The NHS is NOT the hellhole many of you Stateside believe. In fact for all the antihype in America, its a much better system than the myth makes it out to be.”
No, it is not. You simply have no idea. I have experienced it, know people that suffered under NHS, had rationed and delayed “care,” and your facilities are just dirty and awful. That is the rule in the UK in the NHS system, whereas in the US, clean and efficient and prompt care is the rule.
“Is it perfect?. No.”
Not the point.
“But most who bash it in America have never been to Britain, let alone used the NHS.”
And those that know that the NHS is a waste.
“Again, you need to stop taking your view on Britain from FreeRepublic, talk radio and taking much of what you read and hear about us as gospel.”
And you need to sop drinking the BBC kool-aid and start to think for yourself. Goodness, your comments are unintentionally amusing, from your defense of the indefensible (NHS), to your attempts to insult those that think and read and examine issues from all aspects and draw their own conclusions about the world and muslims. You really have no idea how many FReepers are world travelers and Anglophiles. It is because they are world travelers that FReepers know the US and know other countries and the lie that is NHS and socialism and left-wing bigotry.
I am sad to see a Scotsman take the positions you have. Scotland, once proud, fierce and independent, has borne someone like you that cower before the state and defends muslims.
My gawd, the Scots were once so strong-willed that the Romans, the Romans for keerist-sakes, built a wall to keep the Scots out. Now you welcome the muslims and the destruction of your culture.
Islamic invasion of America: The 20 Point Plan
This sums up the Muslim Brotherfood project in America quite succinctly. On November 7, 2001 international law enforcement authorities and Western intelligence agencies discovered a twenty-year old document revealing a top-secret plan developed by the oldest Islamist organization with one of the most extensive terror networks in the world to launch a program of “cultural invasion” and eventual conquest of the West that virtually mirrors the tactics used by Islamists for more than two decades.
Since that time information about this document, known in counterterrorism circles as “The Project”, and discussion regarding its content has been limited to the top-secret world of Western intelligence communities. Only through the work of an intrepid Swiss journalist, Sylvain Besson of Le Temps, and his book published in October 2005 in France, La conquête de l’Occident: Le projet secret des Islamistes (The Conquest of the West: The Islamists’ Secret Project), has information regarding The Project finally been made public. One Western official cited by Besson has described The Project as “a totalitarian ideology of infiltration which represents, in the end, the greatest danger for European societies.”
[...]
Included in the documents seized during the raid of Nada’s Swiss villa was a 14-page plan written in Arabic and dated December 1, 1982, which outlines a 12-point strategy to “establish an Islamic government on earth” – identified as The Project. According to testimony given to Swiss authorities by Nada, the unsigned document was prepared by “Islamic researchers” associated with the Muslim Brotherhood.
If you want to read more of the Muslim Brotherhood project go here.
U.S. Arab-American author outlines secret 20-year strategy to undermine countryWND
A refugee from the Muslim Middle East thinks he has discovered Islam’s 20-point plan for conquering the United States by 2020
Anis Shorrosh, author of ‘’Islam Revealed’’ and ‘’The True Furqan,’’ is a Christian Arab-American who emigrated from Arab-controlled Jerusalem in January 1967.
‘’The following is my analysis of Islamic invasion of America, the agenda of Islamists and visible methods to take over America by the year 2020,’’ Shorrosh says. ‘’Will Americans continue to sleep through this invasion as they did when we were attacked on 9/11?’’
1. Terminate America’s freedom of speech by replacing it with statewide and nationwide hate-crime bills.
2. Wage a war of words using black leaders like Louis Farrakhan, Rev. Jesse Jackson and other visible religious personalities who promote Islam as the religion of African-Americans while insisting Christianity is for whites only. What they fail to tell African-Americans is that it was Arab Muslims who captured them and sold them as slaves. In fact, the Arabic word for black and slave is the same, ‘’Abed.’’
3. Engage the American public in dialogues, discussions, debates in colleges, universities, public libraries, radio, TV, churches and mosques on the virtues of Islam. Proclaim how it is historically another religion like Judaism and Christianity with the same monotheistic faith.
4. Nominate Muslim sympathizers to political office to bring about favorable legislation toward Islam and support potential sympathizers by block voting.
5. Take control of as much of Hollywood, the press, TV, radio and the Internet as possible by buying the related corportations or a controlling stock.(This is already happening with Major media stations.)
6. Yield to the fear of the imminent shut-off of the lifeblood of America – black gold. America’s economy depends on oil and 41 percent of it comes from the Middle East.
7. Yell ‘’foul, out-of-context, personal interpretation, hate crime, Zionist, un- American, inaccurate interpretation of the Quran’’ anytime Islam is criticized or the Quran is analyzed in the public arena.
8. Encourage Muslims to penetrate the White House, specifically with Islamists who can articulate a marvelous and peaceful picture of Islam. Acquire government positions and get membership in local school boards. Train Muslims a medical doctors to dominate the medical field, research and pharmaceutical l companies (Ever notice how numerous Muslim doctors in America are, when their countries need them more desperately than America?) Take over the computer industry. Establish Middle Eastern restaurants throughout the U.S. to connect planners of Islamization in a discreet way.
9. Accelerate Islamic demographic growth via:
* Massive immigration (100,000 annually since 1961).
* Use no birth control whatsoever – every baby of Muslim parents is automatically a Muslim and cannot choose another religion later.
* Muslim men must marry American women and Islamize them (10,000 annually). Then divorce them and remarry every five years – since one can’t legally marry four at one time. This is a legal solution in America.
* Convert angry, alienated black inmates and turn them into militants (so far 2,000 released inmates have joined al-Qaida worldwide). Only a few ‘’sleeper cells’’ have been captured in Afghanistan and on American soil.
10. Reading, writing, arithmetic and research through the American educational system, mosques and student centers (now 1,500) should be sprinkled with dislike of Jews, evangelical Christians and democracy. There are currently 300 exclusively Muslim schools in the U.S. which teach loyalty to the Quran, not the U.S. Constitution. In January of 2002, Saudi Arabia’s Embassy in Washington mailed 4,500 packets of the Quran and videos promoting Islam to America’s high schools – free of charge. Saudi Arabia would not allow the U.S. to reciprocate.
11. Provide very sizeable monetary Muslim grants to colleges and universities in America to establish ‘’Centers for Islamic studies’’ with Muslim directors to promote Islam in higher-education institutions.
12. Let the entire world know through propaganda, speeches, seminars, local and national media that terrorists have hijacked Islam, when in truth, Islam hijacked the terrorists.
13. Appeal to the historically compassionate and sensitive Americans for sympathy and tolerance towards Muslims in America who are portrayed as mainly immigrants from oppressed countries.
14. Nullify America’s sense of security by manipulating the intelligence community with misinformation. Periodically terrorize Americans with reports of impending attacks on bridges, tunnels, water supplies, airports, apartment buildings and malls.
15. Form riots and demonstrations in the prison system demanding Islamic Sharia as the way of life, not America’s justice system.
16. Open numerous charities throughout the U.S., but use the funds to support Islamic terrorism with American dollars.
17. Raise interest in Islam on America’s campuses by insisting freshman take at least one course on Islam.
18. Unify the numerous Muslim lobbies in Washington, mosques, Islamic student centers, educational organizations, magazines and papers by Internet and an annual convention to coordinate plans, propagate the faith and engender news in the media.
19. Send intimidating messages and messengers to the outspoken individuals who are critical of Islam and seek to eliminate them by hook or crook.
20. Applaud Muslims as loyal citizens of the U.S. by spotlighting their voting record as the highest percentage of all minority and ethic groups in America.
AND, unnoticed like Bin Laden’s declaration of war on the US in 1996, the MB has declared war on the US in the last few weeks...Rubin’s article on the matter:
The Region: The declaration of war that went unnoticed
By BARRY RUBIN
10/10/2010 23:29
The Muslim Brotherhood recently called for jihad on the US and Israel, adopting a view almost identical to al-Qaida’s. Talkbacks (1)
Here’s something important: The Muslim Brotherhood’s leader has endorsed anti-American jihad and a view virtually identical to al-Qaida’s ideology. Since the Brotherhood is the main opposition in Egypt and Jordan and the most powerful group in Muslim communities of Europe and North America, this is serious stuff.
Does that mean all these branches are going to launch terror attacks, as one affiliate, Hamas, has long done? Not necessarily.
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Egyptian TV show stirs debate over Muslim Brotherhood
The Region: An offer he had to refuse
But hundreds of thousands of Brotherhood followers are being given a signal. Some will engage in terrorism; others will redouble efforts to seize control of countries and turn them into bases for war on the West.
The Brotherhood is the group that often dominates Muslim communities and runs mosques in the West. Its front groups are often courted by Western governments and media.
Yet here is the Brotherhood’s new supreme guide, Muhammad Badi giving a sermon entitled, “How Islam Confronts the Oppression and Tyranny,” translated by MEMRI in which he says:
• Arab and Muslim regimes betray their people unless they confront not only Israel but also the US. Waging jihad against both is mandatory for all Muslims. Otherwise, “They are disregarding Allah’s commandment to wage jihad... so that Allah’s word will reign supreme” over all non-Muslims.
• All Muslims are required by their religion to fight as their highest priority, since “the improvement and change that the [Muslim] nation seeks can only be attained through jihad and sacrifice, and by raising a jihadi generation that pursues death just as its enemies pursue life.”
• The US is easy to defeat through violence, since it is “experiencing the beginning of its end and is heading toward its demise.”
• Palestinians should back Hamas in overthrowing the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank and unite in waging war on Israel.
• Rational calculations applied by the West to adversaries, assuming Muslims won’t act in a revolutionary and even suicidal manner, want a better future for their children, etc., don’t apply to the Islamist movement: “Allah said: ‘The hosts will all be routed and will turn and flee’ (Koran 54:45). This verse is a promise to the believers that they shall defeat their enemies... and that through Allah you shall triumph... The outcome of the confrontation has been predetermined by Allah.”
Thus, it doesn’t matter how long the battle lasts or its cost in destruction and death, you should go on fighting.
IN THE real world, Islamists are unlikely to win over, say, 50 or 100 years. But those views mean these 50 or 100 years are going to be filled with instability and bloodshed. Muslims don’t have to agree with Badi’s views, yet hundreds of thousands will, and millions will cheer them.
There’s even more food for thought in Badi’s speech.
“Resistance is the only solution... The United States cannot impose an agreement upon the Palestinians, despite all the power at its disposal. [Today] it is withdrawing from Iraq, defeated and wounded, and is also on the verge of withdrawing from Afghanistan” because it has been defeated by Islamist warriors.
First, US efforts that seem to be succeeding at brokering Israel-Palestinian peace would only spark more violence, not less, as Islamists seek to defeat them. Desirable as peace or even progress toward peace might be, the West should have no illusions about those things providing regional stability; they will produce more instability.
Second, US apologies, concessions and withdrawals are interpreted by Islamists and many in the Middle East as signs of weakness, which spark further aggression and violence.
Note that it is precisely fear of a tough opponent thet keeps Badi from saying anything about fighting Egypt’s government, which won’t hesitate to throw Brotherhood leaders in prison and even torture them.
STILL, THE coming leadership transition in Egypt, with the death or retirement of President Husni Mubarak, seems to offer opportunities. The new harder line coincides with the Brotherhood’s announcement that it will run candidates in the November elections – another sign of its confidence and increased militancy.
The Brotherhood is not a legal group, but the government lets members run in other parties. Its candidates won about 20 percent of the vote in the last elections – especially impressive given the regime’s repressive measures. If the Brotherhood intends to defy Egyptian law now, there will be confrontations, mass arrests and perhaps violence.
Most important, however, Badi and many others sense weakness on the part of the West, especially the US leaders, and victory for the Islamists.
Even former British prime minister Tony Blair is warning about such things. Blair comes from the British Labor Party. Many conservatives understand these issues. But the West can never respond successfully without a broader consensus about the nature of the threat and the need for a strong response. Where are Blair’s counterparts in the left-of-center forces in North America, the kind of people who played such a critical role in confronting and defeating the previous wave of anti-democratic extremism, communism?
This new hard line signals:
1. Increased internal conflict in Egypt, the start of a decade-long struggle for power in the Arabic-speaking world’s most important country.
2. The likelihood that more Brotherhood supporters in the West will turn to violence and fund-raising for terrorism.
3. The true nature of the radical indoctrination – preparing people for future extremism and terrorism – in the mosques and groups they control.
4. A probable upturn in anti-American terrorist attacks in the Middle East and Europe.
In August 1996, al-Qaida declared war on America, the West, Christians and Jews. Nobody important paid much attention. Almost exactly five years later, September 11 forced them to notice. Let it be said that in September 2010 the Muslim Brotherhood, a group with 100 times more activists than al-Qaida, issued its declaration of war. What remains is the history of the future.
The writer is director of the Global Research in International Affairs Center and editor of Middle East Review of International Affairs and Turkish Studies. He blogs at www.rubinreports.blogspot.com
>>“and when trouble comes, I will side with the muslims” Obama’s own words from Obama’s own book.<<
By any chance do you have the page # ?
‘Short walk from where you are, now, when you have active sharia courts in the UK.’
Five courts in England. None in Scotland or Wales or NI, Isle of Man, Channel Islands. And no more planned for England. And the Tories and the new Coalition govt have stated they wont increase the number. And the courts are civil courts, no different to the Jewish Beth Din courts we have had in Britain for 100 years. And they cannot supercede English law (Arbritation Law of 1996).
I opposed them, but then I oppose ANY religious court.
‘Really, heck, I can’t find many and I am in the UK at least twice a month, meeting all stripes, from lefty academics to, well, senior people, and they all rue the NHS, see it s ineffective, rationed, unclean and over-burdened. I also have the unique knowledge that comes with direct experience with the NHS when my wife suffered a medical emergency while in Ipswich. Let’s just say the place was straight out of the 20’s or 30’s. with hardly an English-speaking person to be heard, and forget about finding an English-speaking doctor with western values and compassion. Nowhere to be found.’
The majority of British people support the PRINCIPLE of a free at point of access healthcare. Thats a fact. Be my guest and the next time you are here, stop ten people in the street and ask if they support it.
But then heck, I have only lived in Britain for all of my near 40 years. And I have lived and worked in Scotland and England. And actually worked for the NHS.
As for the NHS being old and outmoded, frankly I think you exaggerate. I have no problem if you didnt think it up to what you might have got in the US, but straight out of the 20’s is just hysterical nonsense and undermines your valid point. The NHS certianly has problems, I said that, but the idea that it is a third world service is drivel.
As to your foreign workers point, the NHS has many of them, they come from the Indian subcontinent or Africa, where they get better experience and training than they would at home. And I think your compassionless doctor point is just a nonsense.
You cannot base the NHS on one hospital!. Would you be OK if I based all American healthcare on one poor ‘free clinic’ in the US?. Hmm, I doubt it.
And you criticise me for painting with a broad brush.....
My experience?. The NHS has saved the lives of both my parents, and at the various hospitals they were treated at in Scotland, they have never had anything but superb care. Nor has the care been missing on any other dealings with NHS hospitals as outpatients. And needless to say, never any complaints about their local GP’s.
‘No, it is not. You simply have no idea. I have experienced it, know people that suffered under NHS, had rationed and delayed “care,” and your facilities are just dirty and awful. That is the rule in the UK in the NHS system, whereas in the US, clean and efficient and prompt care is the rule.’
Good for you. I too have experienced the UK and US systems. I lived in your country for 2 years!.
‘And you need to sop drinking the BBC kool-aid and start to think for yourself. Goodness, your comments are unintentionally amusing, from your defense of the indefensible (NHS), to your attempts to insult those that think and read and examine issues from all aspects and draw their own conclusions about the world and muslims. You really have no idea how many FReepers are world travelers and Anglophiles. It is because they are world travelers that FReepers know the US and know other countries and the lie that is NHS and socialism and left-wing bigotry.’
Firstly, I pay little attention to the BBC except for sport and entertainment.
Secondly, I am a Conservative. I am not and never have been liberal.
Thirdly, whilst many here are travelled, I find that the worst nonsense I read from Freepers comes from those who on probing admit to me that they have never been here. Yes, some are travelled here, but a lot at FR have never been to Britain and get their ‘facts’ from FR or talk radio.
‘I am sad to see a Scotsman take the positions you have. Scotland, once proud, fierce and independent, has borne someone like you that cower before the state and defends muslims.’
Oh please, spare me your patronising Braveheart nonsense. You know **** all about me.
Nobody you will meet is a bigger Scottish and British patriot than me. I am an exs-soldier and lifelong moral, political and economic conservative who opposes socialism.
Cower before the state?. I spent seven years defending it!.
Defend Muslims?. The IRA murdered a cousin of mine in 1971. Does that mean that I should hate all Catholic Irish?. Should I hate in perpituity all Germans or Japanese, or being a proud Scot, should I always hate all English?.
No, I dont hate nor fear all Muslims, and I am proud that I dont, because to hate an entire group leads to Auschwitz.
I dont hate all Muslims, I detest those who hate my country and would harm it.
All I need to know about you is in your post. Braveheart you are not.
Ah. . .the principle of NHS. . .not what you said-—you said they support the NHS.
Time in the UK? You have no idea how how many years I had lived and worked in the UK, and for how many years I have been on this round-robin trans-Atlantic shuttle. So, I will stack my time against yours, anytime.
Anyway, you have your view and I have mine. We will let thinking people decide the merits of both.
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