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Posted on 11/17/2010 3:04:24 AM PST by Java4Jay
When are we going to get that administration?
If this passes in the Senate, it goes back to the House for reconciliation?
Very good analogy.
bflr
“Getting tough to know where to take a “martial” stand - we would only get one.
Do we “let ‘er rip” defending our backyard gardens, or do we wait until it gets more dire still?
What good is our firearms if we allow ourselves to be starved out (eventually)? “
They plan on starving us eventually by shipping food out of the country and only feeding those they want to survive. It’s part of the UN Agenda 21 and they’ve been working on it for years. I wonder what our legislators are getting out of this? They’ll still have to make sure the government workers are able to eat so they can continue to oppress us.
We’ll be like N. Korea where the general populace is freezing their asses off and gnawing on tree bark for sustenance while Dear Reader and his support staff gorge on caviar, wagyu and arugula in their government palaces kept warm enough to grow orchids.
“We will think that as the lights go out.”
Some of have night vision and thermal imaging equipment.
LLS
“We’ll be like N. Korea where the general populace is freezing their asses off and gnawing on tree bark for sustenance while Dear Reader and his support staff gorge on caviar, wagyu and arugula in their government palaces kept warm enough to grow orchids”
People will start snapping and the firefight will begin. It will give the cops a chance to fulfill their wildest dreams and they will.
Let's pray that we all "snap" at the same time.
Even a tenth of the 80 million US gun owners would be a bear to handle.
What are Republican thinking? Seven out of twelve co-sponsors are Republicans.
SB 510 - The Food Safety Modernization Act of 2010
Sen. Richard Durbin [D-IL]
Cosponsors:
Lamar Alexander [R-TN]
Jeff Bingaman [D-NM]
Richard Burr [R-NC]
Roland Burris [D-IL]
Saxby Chambliss [R-GA]
Christopher Dodd [D-CT]
Michael Enzi [R-WY]
Kirsten Gillibrand [D-NY]
Judd Gregg [R-NH]
Thomas Harkin [D-IA]
Orrin Hatch [R-UT]
John Isakson [R-GA]
“S510 puts all U.S. food production under the control of the Department of Homeland Security. And the Department of Defense. We lose not only private-citizen control of our food supply, but sovereignty as well. The bill sets in motion standardization of the food animal supply chain, focusing on eliminating biodiversity in food animal genetic stocks. It further mandates that the federal government control and empower hormonal, genetic, and antibiotic additions to our food supply while postponing most definitions of what will constitute “food crimes” under the bill’s sweeping and generalized powers. “
You beat me to it!
Hatch has to go!
He’s an idiot!
While I agree, it will never happen.
Never.
Show me where it has and when it has. The only way it has happened is upon collapse of the state.
Unless its pushed really hard like a storming of the Bastille sort of thing, you will not dismantle the bureaucracy. Its self perpetuating, abetted by the courts, and defended by everyone with a dependence on it...which is just about all citizens and non citizens.
I can intellectually agree that I don’t get any services or that I don’t need them but governemnt is so pervasive you are touched by it on so many levels. Can I forego any of it?...damn right I can.
Can that dependence change or be changed? I want to be positive and say it can but you have to fall back on the argument that people will be willing to shoulder their loads. I do not see that happening. Hell, they can’t or won’t cover their own healthcare, a pretty basic need.
I see our freedoms taken, stolen from us and the actions are justified and defended by a lot of people...not just government types. Look at the last election: dumblecrats did in fact keep control of the Senate. How did that happen? Because while we ranted and railed, too many folks decided that Harry Reid [for obvious example] was not so bad after all. Even after he spent the last 4 years robbing them, denigrating them and defying their wishes.
Yesterday that Pistole guy with TSA said you WILL comply and he didn’t care about your civil rights concerns. Really???? Did Republicans rush to condemn that statement???? How do you stop that train, then, when you can’t even object to some hired butthead saying your constitutional rights don’t make him no never mind.
Of course, we should not just pull our togas over our heads and die of a thousand cuts but the way that I see is not going to happen without civil upheaval.
One course of action is to say NO individually. Be open rebels against this intrusiveness. Wait until you see whats going to happen to all of us under financial reform, under the red flag rules and under the porculous bill that required electronic medical records.
We can try to refuse, but you see what they are going to do to the “don’t touch my junk” dude. There will be penalties for non-compliance. While I plan to refuse anyway possible, they are going to get you or you will have to find/develope black market networks.
One way out is to set up legal defense funds to pay these civil penalties...like insurance pools...thats a raw idea that neesds some work. Obviously, not many of us can afford $10k fines.
So I don’t know. We have dug ourselves a big hole and we keep digging. Sooner or later we might have to blast our way out.
“Getting tough to know where to take a “martial” stand - we would only get one.
Do we “let ‘er rip” defending our backyard gardens, or do we wait until it gets more dire still?”
It would take a sudden power grab of a magnitude never before seen in US history to convince 99.99% of the population to take that kind of risk against overwhelming odds. Barring any major catastrophe that would give the government an excuse to declare martial law, all these incremental legislative power grabs in and of themselves do not constitute the average armed American’s “line in the sand”, thus making a significant violent grassroots movement unlikely.
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