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U.S. jury clears Ghailani of terrorism charges
Reuters on Yahoo ^ | 11/17/10 | Basil Katz

Posted on 11/17/2010 4:24:52 PM PST by NormsRevenge

NEW YORK (Reuters) – The first suspect transferred from Guantanamo military prison to face a U.S. civilian court was found not guilty of terrorism charges on Wednesday in a setback to President Barack's Obama plans for trying terrorism suspects.

Ahmed Khalfan Ghailani, 36, a Tanzanian from Zanzibar, had been accused of conspiring in the 1998 al Qaeda bomb attacks on U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania that killed 224 people. The jury found him guilty of one relatively minor charge of conspiracy to damage or destroy U.S. property with explosives.

Ghailani was cleared of 276 murder and attempted murder counts, along with five other conspiracy charges. It was a rare defeat for the U.S. Attorney's Office in New York, which has a near perfect record in prosecuting terrorism cases.

The jury deliberated for a week.

Obama has vowed to close the prison at Guantanamo amid international condemnation of the treatment of detainees, but he has run into political resistance at home.

The Obama administration has adopted what it calls a flexible approach, favoring military tribunals in some cases and civilian trials in others. Most Republicans say all terrorism suspects should be tried in military tribunals.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Government; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: charges; clears; ghailani; terrorism; wot

1 posted on 11/17/2010 4:24:54 PM PST by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge

It was a milk factory. No, wait...........


2 posted on 11/17/2010 4:27:00 PM PST by Paladin2
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They did get a conviction on one charge, he ain’t going anywhere.


3 posted on 11/17/2010 4:27:04 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard .. Obama: Epic Fail or Bust!!!)
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To: NormsRevenge

What happens when you put one of America’s enemies on trial in front of a jury of America-hating Manhattanites.


4 posted on 11/17/2010 4:28:37 PM PST by Thane_Banquo (Mitt Romney: He's from Harvard, and he's here to help.)
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To: NormsRevenge

What is 0bama and Holder going to do with this guy when he gets out jail in a few months? If he cannot be deported because no other country wants him, what American city will be his new home? How much will he collect in welfare benefits?


5 posted on 11/17/2010 4:28:45 PM PST by forgotten man (forgotten man)
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To: NormsRevenge

Holder and Obama Please give us a Statement. The fake one, we know your happy.


6 posted on 11/17/2010 4:29:48 PM PST by scooby321
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To: NormsRevenge

However it isn’t going to make life any easier for Holder.


7 posted on 11/17/2010 4:30:29 PM PST by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: NormsRevenge

The jury was tampered with, when eleven says guilty, one says not guilty. Money or intimidation bought that twelfth one.
Check his bank account in six months.


8 posted on 11/17/2010 4:30:32 PM PST by Doulos1 (Bitter Clinger Forever!)
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To: forgotten man
What is 0bama and Holder going to do with this guy when he gets out jail in a few months?

The one charge he was convicted on carries a amndatory minimum of 20 years in prison without parole, and a maximum of life.

9 posted on 11/17/2010 4:31:37 PM PST by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: NormsRevenge
The first suspect transferred from Guantanamo military prison to face a U.S. civilian court was found not guilty of terrorism charges on Wednesday in a setback to President Barack's (sic) Obama plans for trying terrorism suspects.

How in the hell does Reuters figure that this is a setback for Obama's "plans for trying terrorism suspects"?

This is exactly what he and Holder wanted!

10 posted on 11/17/2010 4:32:24 PM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject.)
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To: NormsRevenge

...gov had 46 witnesses,hundreds of exhibits.......
defense spoke for 20 mins...no witnesses
jury deliberated for seven days......

and rats say their “happy” with outcome....


11 posted on 11/17/2010 4:32:36 PM PST by Doogle ((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: NormsRevenge
...found not guilty of terrorism charges on Wednesday in a setback to President Barack's Obama plans for trying terrorism suspects

From Obama's perspective this is not a setback at all. This is the type of outcome he and Holder wanted all along.

12 posted on 11/17/2010 4:32:58 PM PST by Starboard
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To: forgotten man

Sorry for the typo— that’s a mandatory minimum.


13 posted on 11/17/2010 4:33:25 PM PST by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: Doulos1
Like it or not, its exactly the way civilian juries are supposed to work. No juror has to convict if they don't want to, period. This is why military traials are the way to go with enemy combatants.

THOMAS JEFFERSON (1789): I consider trial by jury as the only anchor ever yet imagined by man, by which a government can be held to the principles of its constitution.

JOHN ADAMS (1771): It's not only ....(the juror's) right, but his duty, in that case, to find the verdict according to his own best understanding, judgement, and conscience, though in direct opposition to the direction of the court.

ALEXANDER HAMILTON (1804): Jurors should acquit even against the judge's instruction...."if exercising their judgement with discretion and honesty they have a clear conviction that the charge of the court is wrong."

U.S. vs. DOUGHERTY (1972) [D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals]: The jury has...."unreviewable and irreversible power...to acquit in disregard of the instructions on the law given by the trial judge."

14 posted on 11/17/2010 4:35:06 PM PST by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: NormsRevenge

The important thing here is a jury in a civilian court can be stacked and the person can be set free. A good reason for a military court. It’s just starting folks.


15 posted on 11/17/2010 4:36:02 PM PST by RC2
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To: NormsRevenge
If he was part of the conspiracy, how can he not be guilty of the results of that conspiracy? The jury must have spent that week with medical marijuana.
16 posted on 11/17/2010 4:38:57 PM PST by kingu (Favorite Sticker: Lost hope, and Obama took my change.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Obama is such a dope!


17 posted on 11/17/2010 4:43:03 PM PST by FightThePower! (Fight the powers that be!)
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To: NormsRevenge
They did get a conviction on one charge, he ain’t going anywhere.

Yes conspiracy, but cleared of all the murder charges. Main reason for that is because a key witness was not permitted to testify. This was not a victory.

18 posted on 11/17/2010 4:46:57 PM PST by NavyCanDo
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To: NormsRevenge

Impeach Obama!!! Fire Holder!!! Traitors, both of them!!!


19 posted on 11/17/2010 4:49:02 PM PST by JLAGRAYFOX
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To: cripplecreek

I agree with you completely. Just as you said these combatants should be tried in military tribunals and not civil courts.
This is why Osambo is doing it this way. These combatants (there is a hint of what they are by just their title) are rag tag soldiers not criminals in the common sense. These combatants should be tried, and if found guilty, hanged.


20 posted on 11/17/2010 4:49:41 PM PST by Doulos1 (Bitter Clinger Forever!)
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To: NormsRevenge
The jury found him guilty of one relatively minor charge of conspiracy to damage or destroy U.S. property with explosives.
Minor charge? I heard the sentence could be 20 years to life.
21 posted on 11/17/2010 5:01:05 PM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: oh8eleven

one of the talking heads said he ain’t going nowhere no matter the sentence or outcome of trial.


22 posted on 11/17/2010 5:05:18 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard .. Obama: Epic Fail or Bust!!!)
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To: Lurking Libertarian

Do you have a source for that?

For a first conviction I find 0 to 20 or 25 years.

http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/uscode/18/I/40/844
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/usc_sec_18_00002332-—b000-.html


23 posted on 11/17/2010 5:26:13 PM PST by mrsmith
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To: mrsmith
Scroll down to (f)(3).

Fox News is also reporting the 20 year minimum.

24 posted on 11/17/2010 5:36:56 PM PST by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: mrsmith
Scroll down to (f)(3).

Fox News is also reporting the 20 year minimum.

25 posted on 11/17/2010 5:37:29 PM PST by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: NormsRevenge

26 posted on 11/17/2010 5:39:29 PM PST by conservativeimage.com (Yes you did elect a M0F0)
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To: Doulos1
It wasn't a hung jury, the guy was acquitted. That requires a unanimous verdict. Stories about a lone holdout must have been about him not wanting to acquit while the majority did.

It would be the other eleven who would have had to have been bribed.

27 posted on 11/17/2010 5:41:45 PM PST by untrained skeptic
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To: Lurking Libertarian

All right, thanks, here’s what I didn’t see.
“(n) Except as otherwise provided in this section, a person who
conspires to commit any offense defined in this chapter shall be
subject to the same penalties (other than the penalty of death) as
the penalties prescribed for the offense the commission of which
was the object of the conspiracy.”


28 posted on 11/17/2010 5:48:59 PM PST by mrsmith
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To: untrained skeptic

Sorry, I was totally confused about this trial. Don’t know what I was thinking about. I think I was thinking about the Blago trial or something.
These terrorists trials should be in military court or tribunals though. Liberal federal judges have an agenda that is not ours.
“Obama is the graffiti on the walls of American history.”
Rush


29 posted on 11/18/2010 5:20:21 AM PST by Doulos1 (Bitter Clinger Forever!)
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To: Doulos1
I agree that they should be handled by military tribunals. There is too much evidence in most of these cases that can't be introduced in a public trial. I don't suggest reducing the burden of proof, but you can't release highly classified data or expose sources in order to have a public trial. Keeping such things hidden from the jurors however leaves gaps and creates doubts, quite possibly reasonable doubts since they may have reasonable questions that can't be answered.
30 posted on 11/18/2010 4:14:24 PM PST by untrained skeptic
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