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$11,000 fine, arrest possible for some who refuse airport scans and pat downs
SunSentinel.com ^ | 11/20/10 | John Lantigua

Posted on 11/20/2010 7:31:28 AM PST by chickadee

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To: chickadee

They need to stamp “Inspected” on (your) rear with an expiration date.


41 posted on 11/20/2010 8:00:18 AM PST by bigheadfred (/s)
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To: donhunt

Could be kind of embarrassing if it ‘slips’....


42 posted on 11/20/2010 8:00:40 AM PST by xrmusn ((6/98))
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To: American Constitutionalist

people are free not subjects of the political class....
this will only end bad for the political class.....


43 posted on 11/20/2010 8:02:09 AM PST by sentient
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To: chickadee
faces fines up to $11,000

Nigel Tufnel: It's not ten. You see, most blokes, you know, will be playing at ten. You're on ten here, all the way up, all the way up, all the way up, you're on ten on your guitar. Where can you go from there? Where?

Marty DiBergi: I don't know.
Nigel Tufnel: Nowhere. Exactly. What we do is, if we need that extra push over the cliff, you know what we do?
Marty DiBergi: Put it up to eleven.
Nigel Tufnel: Eleven. Exactly. One louder.

44 posted on 11/20/2010 8:02:20 AM PST by csvset
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To: chickadee

Since when did Sheriff’s Deputies or State Troopers become an arm of the Federal .gov? They certainly aren’t enforcing state law.

I smell a rat.


45 posted on 11/20/2010 8:05:49 AM PST by ex 98C MI Dude (Alea Iacta Est)
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To: Batrachian
Congress needs to drag her fat, ugly ass down for hearings

Don't hold your breath for that - the last hearing by the Transportation 'OVERSIGHT' committee that I saw on C-Span two days ago was the most obsequious display of fervent ass-kissing theatre I have ever witnessed.

From the chairman, Sen Rockefeller, on down they sought to out grovel each other before the smug, arrogant John Pistole.

46 posted on 11/20/2010 8:07:01 AM PST by Cardhu
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To: ex 98C MI Dude

*** Since when did Sheriff’s Deputies or State Troopers become an arm of the Federal .gov? ***

Good point. We know the Obama administration objects to Arizona law enforcement assisting the feds on illegal immigration.


47 posted on 11/20/2010 8:08:31 AM PST by chickadee
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To: chickadee; 4Runner
No one will be forcibly searched or arrested "just because they refuse to go through the security procedures," Barbera said. "That may rise to the level of suspicious behavior for the TSA, but it wouldn't rise to the level of suspicious behavior for a deputy," she said.

Finally, someone in real law enforcement gets it.

There are multiple circuit court and Supreme Court precedents that say that refusing a request for a voluntary search is not grounds for an involuntary search.

The US Code giving TSA the authority for a search is explicitly voluntary. It says that they are required to search people and cargo that WILL BE boarding a plane. The emphasis is mine, but those specific words are used.

Once you decide that you don't want to board the plane, TSA's authority to search you vanishes. US district and circuit court decisions differ on this point, but the most (in)famous one appears to intentionally misquote the law to rationalize their decision.

Unless Congress acts and specifically specifies this, this point is probably going to have to go to the Supreme Court. And right now, I'm not optimistic.

48 posted on 11/20/2010 8:11:33 AM PST by justlurking (The only remedy for a bad guy with a gun is a good WOMAN (Sgt. Kimberly Munley) with a gun)
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To: BullDog108

It’s been a $10,000 fine for quite some time....you’re not allowed to withdraw from the screening process once you start.

“Security” at the airport has been fascist and half-assed since September, 2001. Yes, ladies and gents, it sucked out loud when the sainted George W. Bush was president.

I hope the airlines go broke and shut down operation.

Time for a HEA....not TEA....party to protest in front of the terminals. HEA = Harassed Enough Already, or
Humiliated Enough Already. Everyone can wear T-shirts that say, “Potential Terrorist” or “Don’t Tread on My Junk!”


49 posted on 11/20/2010 8:12:02 AM PST by july4thfreedomfoundation ("This is our moment, this is our movement, this is our morning in America!" Sarah Palin)
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To: central_va
I startled me when they started yelling “possible huge pipe bomb” when I was screened last flight..... :)

"We're gonna need a bigger scanner."


50 posted on 11/20/2010 8:13:37 AM PST by 6SJ7 (atlasShruggedInd = TRUE)
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To: chickadee

All your important belongings are OUT OF YOUR CONTROL while you are being touched. Your passport, wallet, money, keys, phone, baggage are OUT OF YOUR CONTROL while this is happening. You are completely vulnerable.

Understand the situation the government has placed you in. You are made naked by a machine or a stranger is touching your privates, and you have no posessions.

THAT IS TOTAL SUBMISSION.


51 posted on 11/20/2010 8:14:33 AM PST by Leftism is Mentally Deranged (Annoying liberals is my goal. I will not be silenced.)
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To: realcleanguy
The ideas that lead to this:

have never gone away. They re-surface and find their application when these monsters acquire control of the apparatus of the state. When that control becomes absolute, mass murder begins. There is only one way to stop it.

52 posted on 11/20/2010 8:14:38 AM PST by Noumenon (“We should forgive our enemies, but not before they are hanged.")
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To: chickadee

Tyranny - simple, clear, and obvious.


53 posted on 11/20/2010 8:14:57 AM PST by neutrino (Globalization is the economic treason that dare not speak its name.(173))
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To: Cardhu

Those hearings were held by the ahole democrats in control of the Senate.

When the GOP holds hearings in the new, GOP controlled House, they had better kick ass and take names, because the TEA Party is watching, and every member is up for re-election in 2 years.


54 posted on 11/20/2010 8:15:11 AM PST by july4thfreedomfoundation ("This is our moment, this is our movement, this is our morning in America!" Sarah Palin)
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To: BullDog108
I’m not flying anywhere anymore. Screw the TSA, screw the airlines, and screw OBUMMER and his fellow commie rat bastard buddies....

Ditto that!

55 posted on 11/20/2010 8:16:15 AM PST by jersey117
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To: goldstategop
Does Big Groping Sister Janet know that many of those children are under the age of consent to have a TSA agent to touch their private parts ?

How about ? $ 50,000 fine, felony charges, and child abuse charges and arrest of any TSA agents who touch any children under the age of consent ?
56 posted on 11/20/2010 8:16:15 AM PST by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: Leftism is Mentally Deranged

#51

Wow. That is very sobering when spelled out like that.


57 posted on 11/20/2010 8:16:21 AM PST by chickadee
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To: Cardhu
"Don't hold your breath for that - the last hearing by the Transportation 'OVERSIGHT' committee that I saw on C-Span two days ago was the most obsequious display of fervent ass-kissing theatre I have ever witnessed."

I'm talking about hearings in the next Congress, run by Republicans, most of whom despise Napolitano and the rest of the Obama gang. It may just happen.

58 posted on 11/20/2010 8:17:24 AM PST by Batrachian (Celebrating ten years with Free Republic.)
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To: chickadee

Sounds like a technique used 70 years ago.....”Show me your papers”.

EODGUY


59 posted on 11/20/2010 8:17:52 AM PST by EODGUY (Hold on to your copies of the Consititution of the United States. It is going to be re-written.)
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To: ex 98C MI Dude
"Since when did Sheriff’s Deputies or State Troopers become an arm of the Federal .gov? "

If you smell anything, it's your misunderstanding about the ownership/management of US airports.

Airports are not owned by the federal government. They are usually owned by municipalities or municipal/county/state joint ventures. So, depending on the airport, you might have any number of multi-jurisdictional agreements where jurisdiction is consolidated in a kind of "unified command" where police, sheriff and even state police all participate in the police activities. Or, the agreement might delegate a singular entity - like ATL's agreement with Atlanta PD, even though the airport is not located inside the city limits. Or, you might have a separate policing agency set up, like you see in the NY tri-state area with the "Port Authority".

Yes, screening passengers is a federal responsibility in most airports, but whomever owns/manages the airport retains primary jurisdiction. That doesn't mean the FBI can't assert jurisdiction when they want, because they do - frequently - but generally speaking, the lion's share of the manpower is local/state. For instance, if you shoplift from an airport merchant right next to the boarding gate, that's not a federal offense. But, if you slap the boarding agent, that might be a federal offense, and even though you'll be apprehended by the airport security/police force, you'll be turned over to federal officials.

60 posted on 11/20/2010 8:18:36 AM PST by OldDeckHand
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