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LTC Terry Lakin may be last line of defense to Constitution
Sonoran News ^ | 1 Dec 2010 | Linda Bently

Posted on 12/02/2010 1:11:13 AM PST by bushpilot1

The American Patriot Foundation has called on citizens to support LTC Terrence “Terry” Lakin during the countdown to his court martial.

As of this edition, there are only 12 days before Lakin goes to trial.

A group has organized a “Support Terry Lakin Day” series of rallies on Monday, Dec. 6, beginning at 10:30 a.m. in front of Sen. John McCain’s Office, 5353 N. 16th Street, Phoenix, AZ 85016.

The next rally will begin at 12 noon in front of Sen. Jon Kyl’s office, 2200 E. Camelback, Phoenix, Arizona 85016, with the final rally at 2 p.m. in front of Rep. Trent Frank’s office, 7121 W. Bell Road, Glendale, AZ 85308.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; certifigate; naturalborncitizen; obama; ofraud
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To: Triple

Quo Warranto does that. This is where the President must prove he is eligible for the office of President.

Congress delegated the power to try a usurper via Quo Warranto to the District Court, Washington, D.C. So in fact, Congress could order the trial of the suspected usurper President Obama held there in District Court, and Obama would have to prove he is eligible for the office he was elected to hold.

We’ve been wasting a lot of time going through regional courts, just not the correct one and using the appropriate process.


21 posted on 12/02/2010 6:09:41 AM PST by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT!)
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To: Gondring

Ok. Let’s deal with reality.

There has been no questions raised about his CO. If there were, he would be correct to question the CO’s legitimacy.

The story so far is that he has asked, through his chain of command, for some type of proof that the CIC is legit.

Obama has refused to respond to his personal request and his chain of cmmand has stone walled him with zero response.

If I’m asked to do something and I doubt the authority or legality of it, I ask to see the law/regulation. My superiors have an obligation to show them to me. That’s not being an A**, that’s covering your A**.

I’ve shown the regs to many a sailor that asked me to “prove it” and had no problem with showing it to them.

If the issue is “security” then other rules apply. But security is not in play with the CIC showing his credentials to someone he has ordered to go klll “the enemy”.

If any one has standing to ask for proof of Natural Citizenship, it’s a soldier, sailor, marine or airman.

Sorry, but I feel you are wrong!!!


22 posted on 12/02/2010 6:17:51 AM PST by usnavy_cop_retired (Retiree in the P.I. living as a legal immigrant)
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To: usnavy_cop_retired
Sorry, but I feel you are wrong!!!

And it is with nothing but respect that I feel the same toward your position.

If he truly doubts the legitimacy of the chain of command, why would that make some orders legitimate and others not?

I believe his case would be stronger if he didn't select when to question orders (if it's the legitimacy of command, not legality of the individual order content--obviously, questioning an individual unlawful order is a different issue).

23 posted on 12/02/2010 6:27:28 AM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: SatinDoll

Congress will only remove obama when they are put in a position where they are forced to follow the U.S. Constitution. If the court( Supreme Court) could be forced to follow the original intent of the Constitution and declare that a Natural Born citizen requires both parents be U.S. citizens it would force Congress to VOID obama’s election. IT is not necessary to impeach obama as he is not a legal sitting President. If Sotomeir and Kagen had withdrawn from the voting( conflict of interest) the case could have moved forward. They have shown that they have no respect for the Constitution.


24 posted on 12/02/2010 6:46:37 AM PST by omegadawn (qualified)
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To: SatinDoll
During the Viet Nam war there was an incident where a Fighter wing commander was initiating air strikes by reporting anti aircraft missle launches which were reason for a counterstrike against thes enemy positions. At the time first strike attacks were not allowed.

Air intelligence officers reported these "illegal command actions" to the Inspector General and the Wing Commander was court martialled for violating rules of engagement as set forth by LBJ. The Joint Chiefs issued a directive that said that it was proper to Not follow orders if the underling believed that the orders were improper or illegal.

Lakin's defense is that Obama is not a "LEGAL" Commander in Chief and Lakin has a duty to not follow these orders and to report the issue to the IG, in this case the Congress! He should call state certifiers to speak on the record and he should request evidence be presented, to wit THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE, for proof that Obama is a citizen entitled to hold the office of the President. Proof of citizenship and Lakin goes to jail. No proof then a fat lip for the Obaminator.

25 posted on 12/02/2010 7:48:54 AM PST by Young Werther ("Quae cum ita sunt" Since these things are so!)
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To: SatinDoll
You are 1/2 right. Only Congress can remove an otherwise qualified President.

The Att'y Gen'l of the U.S. and the Att'y Gen'l of Washington, DC, can find him unqualified at any time through a process of quo warranto. If he is not found to be qualified after being inaugurated, the VP takes the job, all documents signed by the usurper are void, he has to return all renumeration paid him, and his name is stricken from the record as ever having served as President. Then the Senate, I believe, supplies a VP.

26 posted on 12/02/2010 8:36:11 AM PST by RideForever
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To: SatinDoll

Hush. You’re killing the buzz.


27 posted on 12/02/2010 10:07:42 AM PST by El Sordo (The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.)
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To: taxtruth; bushpilot1; SatinDoll; LucyT
The USSC is a bunch of little girls.

As I have said numerous time here, the January 14, 2009 meeting with eight of the "girlymen" at SCOTUS, the usurper fixed his hidden background as an usurper very effectively!

Jack Maskell took care of Congress' "girlymen" plus a number of women there strutting their breasts like a rooster!!

And then The Dung Head Media took care of the rest of the sheeple big time. The media incl. the "Conservative" talking heads treats this issue like the biblical times treated the "outcasts" with leprosy. Hello!!!

28 posted on 12/02/2010 10:31:11 AM PST by danamco (")
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To: omegadawn

Congress will only remove obama when they are put in a position where they are forced to follow the U.S. Constitution. If the court( Supreme Court) could be forced to follow the original intent of the Constitution and declare that a Natural Born citizen requires both parents be U.S. citizens it would force Congress to VOID obama’s election. IT is not necessary to impeach obama as he is not a legal sitting President. If Sotomeir and Kagen had withdrawn from the voting( conflict of interest) the case could have moved forward. They have shown that they have no respect for the Constitution.


WRONG.
At the Supreme Court it only takes FOUR of the nine Justices to move an appeal forward (”The Rule of Four”) to a hearing before the full court.

Sotomayor, Kagan, Bader-Ginsberg and Breuer are not needed to get those four votes to accept an Obama eligibility appeal.


29 posted on 12/02/2010 10:36:33 AM PST by jamese777
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To: RideForever

You are 1/2 right. Only Congress can remove an otherwise qualified President.
The Att’y Gen’l of the U.S. and the Att’y Gen’l of Washington, DC, can find him unqualified at any time through a process of quo warranto. If he is not found to be qualified after being inaugurated, the VP takes the job, all documents signed by the usurper are void, he has to return all renumeration paid him, and his name is stricken from the record as ever having served as President. Then the Senate, I believe, supplies a VP.


A quo warranto claim against Obama has already been rejected by Chief US District Court Judge for the District of Columbia, Royce C. Lamberth on April 15, 2010 in the lawsuit “Taitz v Obama.”
http://www.scribd.com/doc/30040084/TAITZ-v-OBAMA-QW-23-MEMORANDUM-OPINION-dcd-04502943496-23-0


30 posted on 12/02/2010 10:45:32 AM PST by jamese777
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To: FreeAtlanta
Great, so you think that only Generals have the right to disobey illegal orders?

Officers have the duty to know what the definition of a legal order is. As the Manual for Courts Martial clearly states: "An order requiring the performance of a military duty or act may be inferred to be lawful and it is disobeyed at the peril of the subordinate. This inference does not apply to a patently illegal order, such as one that directs the commission of a crime." Lakin was ordered to report to his brigade commander's office and ordered to report for duty with a unit attached to the 101st Airborne. Those orders did not involve any commission of a crim, so they were not patently illegal. The MCM further states, "...the commissioned officer issuing the order must have authority to give such an order. Authorization may be based on law, regulation, or custom of the service." Those orders were issued by officers authorized to do so by virtue of their rank and the position they were assigned to. The orders were lawful by any definition of the term, and Lakin disobeyed them. That's why he's being court martialed.

31 posted on 12/02/2010 11:02:38 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: blueyon
The case has to do with this “No one in his chains of command or in his Congressional delegation could tell him— after more than a year of seeking assurance that his orders were lawful— if Obama met the requirements of Article II, Section 1 of the U.S. Constitution of a “natural born citizen” and was entitled to command the U.S. Armed Forces.

So is it your contention that every single order given by every single officer and enlisted in every branch of the service since January 20,2009 has been illegal? Because Obama may be ineligible to hold his office?

32 posted on 12/02/2010 11:05:56 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: LucyT

They’ll rule that Lakin doesn’t have standing.


33 posted on 12/02/2010 11:06:02 AM PST by tractorman (I never miss a chance to tweak a liberal.)
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To: StonyBurk
As an Officer I would do EVERYTHING within my power to resist and oppose ANY CIC who is not eligible for the Office/who manifests such utter contempt for our US Constitution and way of life as this FRAUD.

So you are saying that as an officer you get to obey only those orders you yourself decide are lawful? Would that power extend to any officer under you? If you ordered a junior officer to stand weekend duty and he or she refused on the grounds that the CinC may be ineligible therfore your order is unlawful then that's OK?

34 posted on 12/02/2010 11:08:47 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur

So is it your contention that every single order given by every single officer and enlisted in every branch of the service since January 20,2009 has been illegal? Because Obama may be ineligible to hold his office?

What I am saying is that the command to ship out was an order decided on by this administration..not lower down the order pole....it is not like an order to go mop a floor or do 60 push ups...when some one is assigned to go over seas...the CIC is the top tier on that and his authority does come into play...


35 posted on 12/02/2010 1:08:12 PM PST by blueyon (The U. S. Constitution - read it and weep)
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To: blueyon
What I am saying is that the command to ship out was an order decided on by this administration..not lower down the order pole....it is not like an order to go mop a floor or do 60 push ups...when some one is assigned to go over seas...the CIC is the top tier on that and his authority does come into play...

Lakin is not charged with refusing to ship out. He's charged with refusing orders to report to his brigade commander's office and an order to report for temporary duty with unit in the United States. All three were lawful orders, and he chose to disobey them. He will pay the penalty for his decision.

36 posted on 12/02/2010 1:16:35 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur

When officers issue orders they do so on behalf of the President. You have been shown this many times, you cannot refute this fact.

The courts have ruled this and it has been shown to you time and time again. But you ignore it...because you want to protect your golden calf Obama.

You desire LTC Lakin convicted and your could give a damn if he is innocent.

Suggest you and the Judge do a little research.

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37 posted on 12/02/2010 1:20:13 PM PST by bushpilot1
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To: bushpilot1

In the Hollister case standing was found so that Obama will have to attack it in response or SCOTUS will have to bring it up on its own.


38 posted on 12/02/2010 1:22:29 PM PST by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them or they more like we used to be?)
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To: blueyon
Correct! SCOTUS has handed down a number of decisions on the de facto officer doctrine. Why would the One be an exception? Nor has Marbury v. Madison been overturned.
39 posted on 12/02/2010 1:26:43 PM PST by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them or they more like we used to be?)
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To: AmericanVictory

The Supreme Court said..in 2003 the Law of Nations has been part of our laws for over 200 years.

Obama is violating chapter XIX of the book.

LTC Lakin should check out a copy from a library the Law of Nations and take it to court and present it as evidence.

There was a time the US navy required a copy of the book on ships at sea.


40 posted on 12/02/2010 1:31:27 PM PST by bushpilot1
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