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Unemployed, and Likely to Stay That Way (skill erosion and marketability)
New York Times ^ | 12/2/2010 | Catherine Rampell

Posted on 12/03/2010 7:58:29 AM PST by SC_Pete

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To: dfwgator

Absolutely!Where my hubby works used to employ nearly thousands since they run 24 hours a day 7 days a week.He started there 32 years ago whenthat many were still employed.Now they are down to about 600 empoyees on all 4 shifts and are making 10X the product they used to 30 years ago.Robotics and computers have replaced many jobs.


21 posted on 12/03/2010 8:33:22 AM PST by chris_bdba
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To: Democrat_media

I am not suggesting that we abandon technology, but people are going to have to learn to adapt to it. People’s ability to cope with new technology, tends to lag a bit.


22 posted on 12/03/2010 8:34:20 AM PST by dfwgator (Congratulations to Josh Hamilton - AL MVP)
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To: chris_bdba

Think about 150 years ago the percentage of the population that was engaged in some from of agriculture, what was it, 80-90%??? Now it’s less than 1%. At that time of the shift, fortunately there was plenty of manufacturing work, but eventually automation eliminated many of those jobs, so today, where is there to turn?


23 posted on 12/03/2010 8:37:11 AM PST by dfwgator (Congratulations to Josh Hamilton - AL MVP)
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To: Zuben Elgenubi; SC_Pete

.....he’s probably lost his edge,....

With the two big resume enhancers of Nickelodeon and Food Network, one wonders if he ever really had an edge.


24 posted on 12/03/2010 8:37:51 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. N.C. D.E. +12 .....( History is a process, not an event ))
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To: TonyInOhio

More angry young men to recruit for street action. Sinister.


25 posted on 12/03/2010 8:39:21 AM PST by SC_Pete
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To: wayoverontheright

And you would do a much better job: the training would be practical and targeted and the students would repond through enlightened self-interest.

Wages must reach a level that allow healthy profit. Profit drives expansion and investment. And promotions and wage increases. Cart after the horse.

PROFIT IS NOT A FOUR-LETTER WORD.


26 posted on 12/03/2010 8:47:41 AM PST by SC_Pete
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To: loveliberty2

Excellent. you make a great point—MORE CRAP TO CUT!! And no downside!


27 posted on 12/03/2010 8:54:20 AM PST by SC_Pete
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To: Democrat_media
Still wondering how you are doing. what is your situation.

Thank you. My situation is extremely tedious at the moment. I'm on Week 21 of my initial unemployment claim. If there is no extension, I'm off of it in 5 weeks. That's something many people do not understand with these extensions. There is no unemployment check after 99 weeks. The funding of extensions is for those unemployed over 26 weeks and under 99.

I agree, it's a raw deal for business owners to have to pay in and to be unable to collect. On the other hand, those payments made, at least as far as I can assume, have to be recovered in less salary/benefits paid to the employee, so I get a little annoyed when some people assume UI = welfare check. I was paid less money to cover the cost somehow. I also don't know the answer to whether 99 weeks is too much. If it is, what is appropriate? 88 weeks? 52 weeks? I know for my own situation, if you agree that over the years I've indirectly paid many times over what I got in my initial claim (I've held a job steadily for 23 working years) and if I'm credited for the federal taxes I've had withheld this year, I've paid for a little over one year of my own unemployment claim on my own. I would have loved a new job on week 1 but there hasn't been one.

I realize there are people who scam the system. I know people myself who have made zero effort for months. There are out there to be sure, but there is also today's jobs report - 17-18%. I don't happen to know the ratio of freeloaders to people like me, but I do know that 17-18% is very real.

I've applied to every job I can find. I'm closing in on 250 since June. I'm working with 7 different job placement recruiters as well - mostly for temp/contract work. I had an interview request recently and the project got pushed until next year. I had an HR phone screen interview this week and am PRAYING to get a shot at a formal interview. If I get in the door, I know I can slam dunk any interview and put myself in the running. That's the trick - getting the interview. With so many unemployed it's very, very hard to get yourself through the bureaucracy. But I still work hard every day and try to keep positive. What else am I going to do?

28 posted on 12/03/2010 8:54:24 AM PST by spiltmilk
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To: fightinJAG

Yours was an excellent post.

It has not dawned on many yet that the structural changes of which you speak make times different than before. Both words are important, structural and change.

I think of Alvin Toffler’s Future Shock, the inability to cope with the future and change. The change and rate of change that so messed up the minds of my parents generation, is now in effect elsewhere. China, India, Indonesia, Brazil..... all are experiencing new growth and increased prosperity. For America it means competition.

The competition, competition we never had before, means the very structure is different. To continue to prosper we must change the structure. We must invent and grow a completely new structure. That invention and growth is change.

It will be exciting for those willing to engage. There must be tons of entrepreneurial experiments. Many will fail, but those that do not will be the new structure.


29 posted on 12/03/2010 8:55:19 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. N.C. D.E. +12 .....( History is a process, not an event ))
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To: SC_Pete
Maybe Janeane Garofalo should retrain as a manicurist.

I think that your suggestion would put her in way over her head ability wise.

30 posted on 12/03/2010 8:57:25 AM PST by Hardastarboard (Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire')
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To: SC_Pete

>> Maybe Janeane Garofalo should retrain as a manicurist.

That would be cool. I’d be happy to give her MY middle finger.


31 posted on 12/03/2010 9:08:53 AM PST by Nervous Tick (Trust in God, but row away from the rocks!)
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To: spiltmilk; All

Great attitude. Hang in there and don’t give up.I know it is extremely difficult.

The economy is improving, I think they’ll extend the unemployment benefits (and they will pay retroactively what weeks were missed), and the bay boomers are starting to retire. I think you will find a job eventually.


32 posted on 12/03/2010 9:16:28 AM PST by Democrat_media (Why is no government creating a product we can hold in our hands like a cell phone..?)
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To: Democrat_media
The economy is improving

What do you base that on?

33 posted on 12/03/2010 9:17:03 AM PST by dfwgator (Congratulations to Josh Hamilton - AL MVP)
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To: dfwgator; All

The economy is improving

“What do you base that on?”

Some cities are creating jobs,3% job growth in some. FACT. Maybe economy not improving in all cities but in some it is. I know however that many don’t have the means to move.


34 posted on 12/03/2010 9:21:32 AM PST by Democrat_media (Why is no government creating a product we can hold in our hands like a cell phone..?)
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To: spiltmilk

All the best to you!


35 posted on 12/03/2010 9:21:51 AM PST by Patriotic1 (Dic mihi solum facta, domina - Just the facts, ma'am)
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To: Oldexpat
Of course removing 12m illegals couldn’t possibly improve the job opportunities and reduce government expenses

It is downright treasonous of politicians to allow these illegal invaders to remain gainfully employed while millions of American citizens are jobless. Republicans and Democrats alike. All are guilty and should be treated as the traitorous bunch of domestic enemies they are.

36 posted on 12/03/2010 9:23:46 AM PST by tnlibertarian (Hey D. C., tax increases are not spending cuts. Nor do tax cuts constitute increased spending.)
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To: Nervous Tick

No one would use her as a hair stylist, that’s for sure. As for middle fingers, I am sure we would not want to know about her familiarity with promiscuous digits.


37 posted on 12/03/2010 9:36:40 AM PST by SC_Pete
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To: spiltmilk
You are right , getting an interview , face to face with someone that can hire is the key.

I wish that your interview turns out great and that you get it or more interviews.

I know your situation is extremely difficult to be in.It is the most horrible thing. I would like to help but all I would have to give is advise and I know many people don't like to get advise as that is human nature so I try to limit my advise giving.

I'll keep you in my thoughts and prayers.

38 posted on 12/03/2010 9:54:11 AM PST by Democrat_media (Why is no government creating a product we can hold in our hands like a cell phone..?)
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To: Hardastarboard

Probably right. And no one would hire her as a hair stylist.


39 posted on 12/03/2010 10:48:13 AM PST by SC_Pete
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To: wayoverontheright

“It would be amusing if it weren’t so sad. If the minimum wage were lowered, we private sector people, from whence the money came for government-sponsored “re-training” programs, would be willing to train them ourselves.”

I wish there were more places willing to train. That seems to be the largest hurdle to get past in seeking employment. It’s not even just the private sector in that regard, there are some parts of the public sector that seem to think that their workers will spring from the dust already trained to “plug-and-play” levels. It becomes the same old Catch-22, you have to get employed to get trained, but you have to be trained to get employed.

In my personal example, I already have the degree to work in a crime lab (the field I have been attempting to break into), I worked at the one nearby where I live as a volunteer for 4 years part-time. That’s not enough, nearly all labs now want people with PAID employee experience in a crime lab. Preferably court-expert-qualified,a status you can’t get unless you’re a paid employee. One has to wonder what color the sky is on the HR/hiring agency’s world.


40 posted on 12/03/2010 11:08:14 AM PST by Mr Inviso (ACORN=Arrogant Condescending Obama Ruining Nation)
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