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Panel: Graf should get general discharge
Navy Times | 12/3/10 | Larter

Posted on 12/03/2010 2:16:54 PM PST by pabianice

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Affirmative Action CO who battered her crew is out of the Navy.
1 posted on 12/03/2010 2:16:55 PM PST by pabianice
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To: pabianice

Ugh...

2 posted on 12/03/2010 2:19:52 PM PST by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin has crossed the Rubicon!)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

After she is discharged and drawing her pension, I expect she will not need to be asked in order to tell.


3 posted on 12/03/2010 2:22:12 PM PST by MIchaelTArchangel (Obama makes me miss Jimmah Cahtah!)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

It’s odd to see a Navy uniform with that many strips on the sleeves but so few medals on the chest.


4 posted on 12/03/2010 2:25:11 PM PST by GOP_Party_Animal
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

Ms Queeg


5 posted on 12/03/2010 2:29:41 PM PST by tje
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

I think he used to pitch for the Dodgers.


6 posted on 12/03/2010 2:30:48 PM PST by RichInOC (No! BAD Rich! (What'd I say?))
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To: GOP_Party_Animal
Shoot, I had three rows in my first 5 years.

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7 posted on 12/03/2010 2:32:37 PM PST by LonePalm (Commander and Chef)
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To: GOP_Party_Animal

Interesting observation, especially since they seem to be given out like candy lately.


8 posted on 12/03/2010 2:44:32 PM PST by NonValueAdded (Palin 2012: don't retreat, just reload)
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To: GOP_Party_Animal

I can’t imagine where she served during her career that would generate so few ribbons. I got three rows of ribbons with one deployment. Throw in the freebies and attaboys and her rather masculine chest should be covered.


9 posted on 12/03/2010 2:47:24 PM PST by dangerdoc (see post #6)
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To: pabianice

Those that want to read hundreds of blog comments about her problems can go here:
http://navycaptain-therealnavy.blogspot.com/2010/01/number-two-in-our-countdown-is-captain.html
It is interesting to note that her elder sister is a Rear Admiral


10 posted on 12/03/2010 2:48:17 PM PST by KC Burke
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To: GOP_Party_Animal

That’s a Navy thing. She probably has more awards than that. i was Army, so i don’t know the precise Navy regulation on display of decorations, but i do know that i’ve seen file photos of Admirals who have the same kind of arrangement.


11 posted on 12/03/2010 3:02:27 PM PST by Calvinist_Dark_Lord ((I have come here to kick @$$ and chew bubblegum...and I'm all outta bubblegum! ~Roddy Piper))
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To: GOP_Party_Animal

That said, she doesn’t deserve her rank. If a man had committed half of what she had committed, they’d drum him out of the service as an E-1, and he might be facing jail time.


12 posted on 12/03/2010 3:07:48 PM PST by Calvinist_Dark_Lord ((I have come here to kick @$$ and chew bubblegum...and I'm all outta bubblegum! ~Roddy Piper))
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To: GOP_Party_Animal

Most Naval Officers only wear their top three ribbons on they’re working uniform. Blues, while considered a working uniform, are traditionally worn with all ribbons. She should have worn all her awards when taking that type of picture.


13 posted on 12/03/2010 3:21:07 PM PST by Keyga8tor
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To: pabianice
She should have been forced out of the Navy long ago, but both her sister and her brother-in-law are Navy big shots and obviously protected her.

She is a disgrace to her uniform and the Navy.

14 posted on 12/03/2010 3:22:19 PM PST by GoldenPup
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To: Calvinist_Dark_Lord
That said, she doesn’t deserve her rank. If a man had committed half of what she had committed, they’d drum him out of the service as an E-1, and he might be facing jail time.

I met a few men during my career who could give Graf a run for her money but who kept climbing the ranks because of connections. Sad to say that promoting people far beyond their competency, while rare, isn't new. It isn't limited to men. And it isn't limited to the Navy.

15 posted on 12/03/2010 3:28:33 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Keyga8tor
Most Naval Officers only wear their top three ribbons on they’re working uniform. Blues, while considered a working uniform, are traditionally worn with all ribbons. She should have worn all her awards when taking that type of picture.

Yes and yes. That appears to be an official command photo, the type that is usually displayed on the Quarterdeck while in port along with the ship's XO and CMC. Every one of these that I've seen are taken with full ribbons. Though I believe officers must also maintain a recent portrait and full body photo in their service record. This might be one of those photos.

16 posted on 12/03/2010 3:37:05 PM PST by Drew68
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To: pabianice
BRAVO ZULU...!!!
17 posted on 12/03/2010 3:57:14 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Drew68; LonePalm; Keyga8tor; Calvinist_Dark_Lord; dangerdoc; NonValueAdded; GOP_Party_Animal

I noticed she isn’t wearing the National Defense Ribbon.


18 posted on 12/03/2010 3:59:25 PM PST by Enterprise (TSA - The Silly Agency)
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To: MIchaelTArchangel

Do you get the pension with a ‘general discharge?’


19 posted on 12/03/2010 4:02:34 PM PST by EDINVA
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To: Enterprise

Good conduct medal?


20 posted on 12/03/2010 4:08:16 PM PST by NonValueAdded (Palin 2012: don't retreat, just reload)
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To: Drew68; Enterprise

Looks like Legion of Merit, Bronze Star, and Defense Meritorious Service Medal, certainly her top three. Would the citations be online?


21 posted on 12/03/2010 4:15:20 PM PST by NonValueAdded (Palin 2012: don't retreat, just reload)
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To: NonValueAdded

Prior to having charges filed against her, I would assume she would have had a good conduct ribbon with a few stars.


22 posted on 12/03/2010 4:20:14 PM PST by Enterprise (TSA - The Silly Agency)
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To: pabianice

Some ships are top heavy.

She certainly isn’t.


23 posted on 12/03/2010 4:20:55 PM PST by exit82 (Democrats are the enemy of freedom. Sarah Palin is our Esther.)
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To: NonValueAdded

I don’t know.


24 posted on 12/03/2010 4:22:29 PM PST by Enterprise (TSA - The Silly Agency)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

Too tight and loony like MurCOWski who she resembles


25 posted on 12/03/2010 4:23:52 PM PST by dennisw (- - - -He who does not economize will have to agonize - - - - - Confucius)
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To: EDINVA

She will get a retirement. Had she been dishonorably discharged she might have been denied a pension.


26 posted on 12/03/2010 4:25:17 PM PST by Enterprise (TSA - The Silly Agency)
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To: NonValueAdded
Looks like Legion of Merit, Bronze Star, and Defense Meritorious Service Medal, certainly her top three. Would the citations be online?

You are correct about her ribbons. I don't think her citations would be on line, accessible to the public.

27 posted on 12/03/2010 4:32:50 PM PST by Drew68
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To: Enterprise

Thanks. I’m not familiar with what does and doesn’t earn govt/military pensions.


28 posted on 12/03/2010 4:35:49 PM PST by EDINVA
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To: KC Burke
Her family is Navy. That is why she got where she was, and why it took so long to get rid of her.

Oh, but remember, we are a “meritocracy” where MERIT is what makes you rise to the top................

Nevermind the blue blood “legacy” admissions, the affirmative action President, the family connections that are key to optimal promotion through the ranks, etc, etc, etc.

29 posted on 12/03/2010 4:35:56 PM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: EDINVA
During the Iraq war, the services were keeping a lot of personnel who had some black marks against them. Once the war ended, and personnel needs weren't so intense, some purges began, and people deemed as operating below standards were weeded out and not allowed to re-enlist. If they were short of their twenty years, I suppose it would be possible for some of them to join the reserves and complete their 20 years, although they would have to wait until age 60 to draw a pension.

Someone getting a dishonorable discharge has done something to REALLY tick off the military, and would most likely not get any benefits. If the person had a general discharge, but had 20 years in, it wouldn't necessarily mean that they would be denied a pension. If they get a general discharge, and don't have 20 years in, and are NOT recommended for re-enlistment, they are screwed, unless a reserve unit is willing to take them in. These days though, that is unlikely.

There are other reasons the military can discharge someone prior to end of enlistment. Medical reasons can be one. "Convenience of the Service" might be another, and it could mean that they no longer need the skills that person has.

30 posted on 12/03/2010 4:52:25 PM PST by Enterprise (TSA - The Silly Agency)
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To: GOP_Party_Animal
It’s odd to see a Navy uniform with that many strips on the sleeves but so few medals on the chest.

That is clearly not all she has, she is only wearing top three in the photo

31 posted on 12/03/2010 5:20:10 PM PST by Starwolf
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To: Drew68

Service record photos are always in Khaki.


32 posted on 12/04/2010 5:15:40 AM PST by Keyga8tor
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To: KC Burke

The page has been scrubbed.


33 posted on 12/04/2010 7:39:04 AM PST by pabianice
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To: Enterprise
I noticed she isn’t wearing the National Defense Ribbon.

i don't know Navy Uniform regulations, i was Army. i have seen file photos of Navy Flag officers wearing the same kind of arrangement though. i don't think it's a complete accounting of awards.

You'd have to check with someone with Navy experience to find out what that is all about.

i do know that by the time somebody makes O-6 in any service (Navy Captain, Army Colonel) they at least have a lot of "been there, done that" ribbons.

Remember, Admiral Jeremy Boorda, Clinton's CNA got into a lot of trouble for wearing combat 'V' devices that he didn't earn. He ended up killing himself over the incident.

34 posted on 12/04/2010 10:34:44 AM PST by Calvinist_Dark_Lord ((I have come here to kick @$$ and chew bubblegum...and I'm all outta bubblegum! ~Roddy Piper))
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