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To: SampleMan
At no time in human history has a push to decrease the power of the state ever directly led to a tyrannical state.

I would have to disagree with you. Two examples would be the Bolshevik Revolution and The French Revolution and what followed each.

anarchy and state tyranny are not the same thing.

No but tyranny may very well follow anarchy and visa-versa. It's like maximum randomness on steroids. The answer is true moderation. Again, not the Leftist relativist version but true middle-of-the-road exemplified by our original political and economic systems and freedoms coupled with individual self-governing, self-discipline and moderation.

107 posted on 12/11/2010 9:57:47 AM PST by Jim W N
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To: Jim 0216
I would have to disagree with you. Two examples would be the Bolshevik Revolution and The French Revolution and what followed each.

Neither one of those was based on individual liberty trumping the power of the state. Both were strongly based on the premise that the power of the state should be used to provide individual happiness. Not surpisingly they both killed a lot of people in order to make them happy.

No but tyranny may very well follow anarchy and visa-versa.

Concur, and its a logical argument that a state that is too weak might lead to a strong fisted backlash or foreign domination. However, those are jumps to the opposite extreme, not natural progressions of the movement to its extreme. An analogy is pacifism, which can result in being killed, but will not result in killing.

So we agree that any extreme can be bad, but very much disagree that the extreme position to the right is fascism. All forms of state domination are firmly on the Left, where an all powerful state does what it must to provide for the "greater good".

108 posted on 12/11/2010 10:19:37 AM PST by SampleMan (If all of the people currently oppressed shared a common geography, bullets would already be flying.)
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