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To: SeekAndFind
Astronomer claims he lost University of Kentucky job because of faith

No. No one gets punished for believing or not believing any certain way.

If "faith" is even part of this person's situation, he "spoke" or "acted" in some way to make his "faith" a problem to his job. Actions have consequences.

Personally, I wouldn't hire a "young earth", "creationist" type idiot for anything requiring thinking above the turnip level.

95 posted on 12/15/2010 11:13:12 AM PST by meadsjn (Sarah 2012, or sooner)
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To: meadsjn

It depends on his field does it not? Should Princeton have refused to hire Einstein because of his naive political and social views?


97 posted on 12/15/2010 11:33:14 AM PST by RobbyS (Pray with the suffering souls.)
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To: meadsjn

RE: Personally, I wouldn’t hire a “young earth”, “creationist” type idiot for anything requiring thinking above the turnip level.


Well, here’s where you and I differ. His personal beliefs are his own. If he COMPETENTLY teaches science and publishes peer reviewed papers that have been ACCEPTED for publication, I see no reason why his personal belief in a young earth disqualifies him from teaching.

IF HE ISN’T TEACHING IT IN CLASS WHAT HE BELIEVES PERSONALLY SHOULD NOT EVEN BE A CONSIDERATION.

Now, if you disagree with him and believe he is a fool to believe so, I’d be very much interested in you or anyone debating him to prove he’s wrong OUTSIDE his place of work.


102 posted on 12/15/2010 1:29:50 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: meadsjn; GodGunsGuts; Fichori; tpanther; Gordon Greene; Ethan Clive Osgoode; betty boop; ...
No. No one gets punished for believing or not believing any certain way.

If "faith" is even part of this person's situation, he "spoke" or "acted" in some way to make his "faith" a problem to his job. Actions have consequences.

Personally, I wouldn't hire a "young earth", "creationist" type idiot for anything requiring thinking above the turnip level.

You just contradicted yourself. You WOULD punish someone for their beliefs - for believing or not believing any certain way. And you even state how you'd do it - you wouldn't hire them based on that criteria.

Thank you for being such a splendid example of the bias that so many *scientists* here on FR claim doesn't exist.

You have clearly demonstrated that the claim that this guy is making that his situation is because of his beliefs, is valid.

137 posted on 12/17/2010 9:20:56 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: meadsjn
Martin Gaskell is not a young earth creationist. His astronomical views are entirely orthodox. In fact, some of his own research has contributed to establishing the currently accepted value of the age of the Universe. As far as being qualified, I can put it no better than the chair of the very University of Kentucky search committee that chose to hire a less qualified candidate
In the end, however, the real reason why we will not offer him the job is because of his religious beliefs in matters that are unrelated to astronomy or to any of the duties specified for the position... If Martin were not so superbly qualified, so breathtakingly above the other applicants in background and experience, then our decision would be much simpler. We could easily choose another candidate, and could content ourselves with the idea that Martin's religious beliefs played little role in our decision. However, that is not the case. As it is, no objective observer could possibly believe that we have excluded Martin on any basis other than religious.
Game set and match.
164 posted on 12/18/2010 10:23:57 AM PST by Right Wing Professor (not back for long)
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