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Obama Returns to End-of-Life Plan That Caused Stir (Here's the Death Panels we were warned about)
ny times ^ | 12/25/2010 | Robert Pear

Posted on 12/26/2010 6:57:59 AM PST by tobyhill

When a proposal to encourage end-of-life planning touched off a political storm over “death panels,” Democrats dropped it from legislation to overhaul the health care system. But the Obama administration will achieve the same goal by regulation, starting Jan. 1.

Under the new policy, outlined in a Medicare regulation, the government will pay doctors who advise patients on options for end-of-life care, which may include advance directives to forgo aggressive life-sustaining treatment.

Congressional supporters of the new policy, though pleased, have kept quiet. They fear provoking another furor like the one in 2009 when Republicans seized on the idea of end-of-life counseling to argue that the Democrats’ bill would allow the government to cut off care for the critically ill.

The final version of the health care legislation, signed into law by President Obama in March, authorized Medicare coverage of yearly physical examinations, or wellness visits. The new rule says Medicare will cover “voluntary advance care planning,” to discuss end-of-life treatment, as part of the annual visit.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: deathpanel; deathpanels; freepressforpalin; healthcare; obamacare
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1 posted on 12/26/2010 6:58:01 AM PST by tobyhill
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To: tobyhill

And where are all the folks who said Palin was dumb?


2 posted on 12/26/2010 7:01:24 AM PST by jennings2004 (Sarah Palin: "The bright light at the end of a very dark tunnel!")
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To: tobyhill

bump


3 posted on 12/26/2010 7:02:09 AM PST by lowbridge (Rep. Dingell: "Its taken a long time.....to control the people.")
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To: tobyhill

Isn’t there something a wee bit unethical, if you can’t get something through Congress, to do the same thing by fiat? “Will of the people” and all that?


4 posted on 12/26/2010 7:04:56 AM PST by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: tobyhill

Sounds like something we can pull the plug on when the new Congress convenes...


5 posted on 12/26/2010 7:05:25 AM PST by stevie_d_64 (I'm jus' sayin')
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To: stevie_d_64
Yep. Defund the HHS until they back down and then continue not to fund them after they back down.
6 posted on 12/26/2010 7:08:01 AM PST by tobyhill
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To: tobyhill

Estate Taxes + Death Panels = Will people be denied care so that the gov’t can get their hands on people’s money?

Scary thought.


7 posted on 12/26/2010 7:09:31 AM PST by KJC1
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To: tobyhill

To 0bama, the needs of the many ALWAYS take precedent over the needs of the few...

unless those needs of the few are HIS own or his Immediate Family’s.

Then it is most likely some form of “Social Injustice” and “you all can go F yourself”!!


8 posted on 12/26/2010 7:10:36 AM PST by R0CK3T
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To: coloradan

Yeah, it’s more than a wee bit unethical, but they’re Democrats. They don’t care about ethics.


9 posted on 12/26/2010 7:14:13 AM PST by libertylover (The problem with Obama is not that his skin is too black, it's that his ideas are too RED.)
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They’ll establish a starting point by using most extreme of cases. That way they’ll get as many people as possible to agree it’s probably best to let the people pass away. Then they’ll apply pressure relentlessly to inch that line forward. Evil never rests.


10 posted on 12/26/2010 7:15:29 AM PST by Hayride
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To: coloradan

This is plainly and simply dictatorship and it must be stopped.


11 posted on 12/26/2010 7:16:31 AM PST by jazzlite (esat)
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To: tobyhill

Oooh, biiiiiiiig mistake Obama, you’ll see. Old people vote.


12 posted on 12/26/2010 7:19:26 AM PST by toddausauras
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To: tobyhill

When some of us “old folks” start taking people with us when they deny benefits they will change their tone!Got to go after the a$$holes who voted yes for this legislative POS!


13 posted on 12/26/2010 7:20:39 AM PST by Renegade
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To: tobyhill

Its a good thing the lame (duck) congress is gone or he would get this too.


14 posted on 12/26/2010 7:20:50 AM PST by Bulldawg Fan (Victory is the last thing leftists and their fellow Defeatists want.)
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To: stevie_d_64

One of many.


15 posted on 12/26/2010 7:23:11 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (Impeachment !)
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To: coloradan

Ah yes... acting with “consent of the governed.”


16 posted on 12/26/2010 7:26:05 AM PST by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: tobyhill; freekitty; Gapplega; justiceseeker93; flat; unkus; TXRed; ZULU; blackbart.223; ...

Death Panels? Rationed Care? Never Again? Welcome to the Obama, Pelosi, Reid et al. DeathCare Holocaust Plan designed to reduce social security costs. Next, will we see boxcars and camps and Mengele? How about your new politically-correct, non-English speaking Government Physician from a Third World Country? Anyone approaching 65 years old would be well advised to call (202) 225-3121 and ask to speak to their elected political hack by name. Ask them if they and their family will be participating in the Liberal DemocRAT Holocaust DeathCare plan? Of course, don’t expect to to be allowed to speak to anyone other than a young, arrogant staffer who doesn’t even know what’s going on in the world. Constituent comments truly aren’t wanted only their votes and donations prior to an election.

November 2012 can’t get here soon enough to fine tune the hypocrites that we put in office in 2010. We must clean more of the DC sewer. Our continued cleaning project must start on January 1, 2011 and continue through 2016 at the least.


17 posted on 12/26/2010 7:33:07 AM PST by ExTexasRedhead
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To: KJC1
Estate Taxes + Death Panels = Will people be denied care so that the gov’t can get their hands on people’s money?

Sounds like Caligula or Nero when the Imperial Roman treasury ran out of gold. Presidential candidate McCain did say that we had nothing to fear from an Obama presidency./spit


18 posted on 12/26/2010 7:34:38 AM PST by magooey (The Mandate of Heaven resides in the hearts of men.)
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To: tobyhill

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2639673/posts

Calling this “death panels” is bait and switch. It’s not the top-down rationing that even Krugman was referring to when he stepped in it and endorsed Sarah Palin’s conceptualization of it last month. Limiting access to drugs and procedures by exclusion is the idea behind death panels as I have understood it,and it is a far greater threat.


19 posted on 12/26/2010 7:37:31 AM PST by gusopol3
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To: jazzlite
This is plainly and simply dictatorship and it must be stopped.

Nailed it!


20 posted on 12/26/2010 7:39:37 AM PST by magooey (The Mandate of Heaven resides in the hearts of men.)
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To: ExTexasRedhead

I want to die peacefully in my sleep, like my grandfather. Not screaming and yelling like the passengers in his car.


21 posted on 12/26/2010 7:41:06 AM PST by verity
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To: toddausauras
Oooh, biiiiiiiig mistake Obama, you’ll see. Old people vote.

Twice, once in Miami, and once in New York.

However, they'll still vote democrat when they're dead, won't they?

22 posted on 12/26/2010 7:47:30 AM PST by null and void (We are now in day 703 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: ExTexasRedhead

I hope Congress is taking this seriously. We are and if we go; they do too.


23 posted on 12/26/2010 7:55:41 AM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: tobyhill

Anybody here surprised? Dogs bark. Lions roar. Democrats hate themselves and love death.


24 posted on 12/26/2010 7:57:07 AM PST by Leftism is Mentally Deranged (Liberalism is against human nature. Practicing liberalism is detrimental to your mental stability.)
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To: tobyhill

I’ll bet this sounded a whole lot better to them when they had the youth vote. However, I’m sure that there are some in the administration who consider this a way to get the youth vote. They are looking for the too stupid to get old crowd.


25 posted on 12/26/2010 7:57:44 AM PST by Steamburg (The contents of your wallet is the only language Politicians understand.)
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To: KJC1

The origin of the death tax was ancient Rome. Nero needed a way to find rebuilding Rome so he levied a death tax. Then nobles across the empire started to die.

For a more recent example, Donald Scott in california had land the government coveted. They were sure that he was growing dope on that prime real estate. So prime that they had the property appraised before they raided the place. He was shot dead and his widow had to sell to the .gov to settle the estate.


26 posted on 12/26/2010 8:01:18 AM PST by IGOTMINE (1911s FOREVER!)
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To: All

27 posted on 12/26/2010 8:03:20 AM PST by Liz (There's a new definition of bipartisanship in Washington -- it's called former member.)
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To: All
Ousted COS, Rahm Emanuel put his brother Zeke
in charge of Medicare/Aid billions and O/care billions.

Luckily, Dr Zeke was spit-shining his penny loafers
when the subject of "O/Care death" panels surfaced.

28 posted on 12/26/2010 8:06:50 AM PST by Liz (There's a new definition of bipartisanship in Washington -- it's called former member.)
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To: tobyhill

WOW!! Does Pinch know this article appeared in his beloved democrat party playbook?


29 posted on 12/26/2010 8:08:14 AM PST by Oldpuppymax
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To: magooey

Abolish and replace. 1776 is a right and responsibility.


30 posted on 12/26/2010 8:13:56 AM PST by TheRevolution1776 (Time to abolish and start over. Draw the line.)
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To: coloradan; jazzlite
The people granted Congress all legislative power under the Constitution. It is an unconstitutional affront for Congress to assign the power to unelected, unaccountable little dictators.

FL recently passed a law that requires legislative approval of all proposed state agency rule and regs that could cost society more than $1 million over five years. That's right, $1 million.

31 posted on 12/26/2010 8:16:50 AM PST by Jacquerie (We are not subjects, we are citizens. Congressman Mike Pence)
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To: coloradan
Isn’t there something a wee bit unethical, if you can’t get something through Congress, to do the same thing by fiat? “Will of the people” and all that?

"Will of the people! He said 'Will of the people'!"


32 posted on 12/26/2010 8:22:05 AM PST by COBOL2Java (Obama is the least qualified guy in whatever room he walks into.)
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To: jennings2004

And where are all the folks who said Palin was dumb?”

Boy, Oh Boy-——Nothing like handing the number 1 candidate for the Oval Office in 2012 a ready-made slate of issues!!!

The next 2 years are going to be very interesting-—and I think that Sarah is going to wipe the floor with NObama & all his minions on a very regular basis.

Better stock up on more popcorn, salt, & buttter.


33 posted on 12/26/2010 8:25:31 AM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: null and void

Don’t forget the town hall demographics...those people won’t forget, they’re scared.


34 posted on 12/26/2010 8:41:34 AM PST by toddausauras
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To: ExTexasRedhead

you said it, sister.


35 posted on 12/26/2010 8:44:55 AM PST by bitt ( Charles Krauthammer: "There's desperation, and then there's reptilian desperation, ..")
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To: ExTexasRedhead

You hit the nail on the head, Girlfriend!


36 posted on 12/26/2010 8:48:38 AM PST by left that other site (Your MiQ-MaQ Paddy Wacky Bass-Playing Biker Buddy(El Kabong))
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To: jennings2004

Governor Palin continues to play 3D chess while everyone else plays checkers. She IS the brightest bulb in the package.


37 posted on 12/26/2010 8:53:54 AM PST by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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To: verity

Where are we going and why are we in this hand basket? LOL


38 posted on 12/26/2010 8:56:16 AM PST by 23 Everest (A gun in hand is better than a cop on the phone.)
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To: IGOTMINE; All
I thought you might be wearing a tin foil hat on the Donald Scott case being about gov't wanting his property but it's documented.

Thanks for bringing it up.

39 posted on 12/26/2010 8:56:45 AM PST by newzjunkey (Opting for abortion is like hiring a hit man.)
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To: tobyhill

Ethnic leaders are always talking about getting rid of the old white folks. Obama thinks he has a way.


40 posted on 12/26/2010 8:56:56 AM PST by skeeter
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To: tobyhill

Heard this morning that some POS democrat from Oregon emailed the NYT asking them not to run this story to keep it secret from the public. His rationale was that if it remains hidden the approval and implementation would be successful. Nazi Socialist Democrat bastards.

FUBO & FAD


41 posted on 12/26/2010 9:26:37 AM PST by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: RJS1950

Yup. Head that on Fox today. Bastards.


42 posted on 12/26/2010 9:51:29 AM PST by goldi (')
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To: gusopol3

Thank you for the reminder. Palin’s original warning was about government panels rationing health care based upon one’s value to society. This remains the big threat to all of us, especially elders.

This debate was never about end of life counseling. The liberal media is trying to deflect debate away from the rationing boards, and unfortunately, a lot of people are falling for it.


43 posted on 12/26/2010 9:53:25 AM PST by BigBobber
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To: ExTexasRedhead

Merry Christmas Red.

Yeah, I read this earlier.
It’s going to get lots worse as we go along cause he is going to now try to rule decree and gub mint grabs.


44 posted on 12/26/2010 10:17:49 AM PST by Joe Boucher
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To: tobyhill

According to FOX, the WH is spinning like mad to control this story, claiming that the rule was first conceived during the Bush admin.

I dont know its origins, but if the O administration embraces it, they own it.


45 posted on 12/26/2010 10:57:57 AM PST by freespirited (This tagline dedicated to the memory of John Armor, a/k/a Congressman Billybob.)
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To: 23 Everest

Good One!


46 posted on 12/26/2010 11:29:52 AM PST by verity
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To: BigBobber

I agree with your interpretation, but I’ve taken a real roasting about it (tough not this time).


47 posted on 12/26/2010 11:55:47 AM PST by gusopol3
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To: tobyhill

Yep, we’re here.

Government by regulation = statism.

Call it anything you want - fascism, totalitatianism, communism, socialism, corporatism, soft tyranny. It looks to me and my American University political science degree training that the United States is in the process of creating a new style of distatorship, one in which we’ll still retain a frosting of individual rights and the illusion of limited government, but will actually create a bureaucratic state centered in Washington which will seek to regulate all aspects of our lives.

Maybe that’s why we’re having such a hard time coming up with a name - this is a brand-new thing. And how American is that? We’re coming up with a whole new kind of tryanny, in the same way that we formerly came up with new kinds of transportation, housing, economics, and artistic expression.

To me, this feels like the inverse of China, where a frankly totalitarian regime has loosened restrictions just enough to create economic growth. It seems as if Obama is taking a free market, limited government regime and tightening it just enough to restrict economic growth to only those places that the government allows. Perhaps we’ll meet in the middle and become even better friends.

The scariest part for me is the thought that the Roman republic similarly lost its republican traditions slowly over time, and even when it installed a permanent dictator, still gave lip service to the idea of the republic. Centuries afterwards, the provinces still conducted themselves on republican values, while Rome itself was tryanny. Is this our future - a bureaucratic elite in Washington cranking out regulation after regulation, while here in Alaska we still go through the charade of state soveriegnty and elect our little mayors and state legislature?

Or are we already well past that point right now?

God help us.


48 posted on 12/26/2010 11:56:32 AM PST by redpoll
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So the death panels are alive and well. What they could not achieve through legislation, they will try to achieve through administrative fiat. These people are obsessed with death, whether at the beginning of life, through abortion , or at the end of life, through rationed care. Rationed for you and me , that is. You can bet that , under State care, Obama’s illegal alien aunt and Barney Frank's boy friends will be offered all medical the aid possible. But those of us without political connections can look for early and painful departures.
49 posted on 12/26/2010 12:13:04 PM PST by Godwin1
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To: tobyhill

It’s all about the utility factor - pre born infants and aging seniors are useless in the materialist economy these Marxocrat Darwinians believe in.


50 posted on 12/26/2010 1:51:11 PM PST by eleni121 (Prepare the table, watch in the watchtower, eat, drink: arise ye princes, and prepare the shield)
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