Posted on 01/02/2011 2:41:49 PM PST by shuck and yall
How do you extrapolate what the bishop said to having your pocket picked or that the bishops statement was specific to Mexico. What part of the following do you object to?
"While the Catholic Church does not advocate for undocumented immigration into the United States, it respects the dignity of the human person and the right to work to meet the basic needs of their families."
Are you saying that Catholics should have no voice in policy formation because we may disagree with you? Rest assured we will not remain silent.
Fine if they want to change their tax status, i’m all for taxing the hell out of them, so to speak.
I already have the hell taxed out of me, thank you.
“A nation’s political life, like Christianity itself, is meant for everyone, and everyone has a duty to contribute to it.”
If the “everyone” includes the illegal immigrant, the statement is profoundly flawed.
The illegal immigrant can’t even be here legally, much less vote.
Any religious ‘leader’ saying otherwise is probably infected with that form of collectivism (communism) known as Liberation Theology.
No wonder the Catholic Church is in such serious problems.
The LibTheo chappies forgot that “DON’T STEAL” is a commandment, and they deny their communism is theft.
Don't listen to the liberal press or the traditional anti-Catholics, the Catholic Church is doing just fine.
Maybe your problem is with the constitution and not the Catholic Church. The 14th states:
"...nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."
Note that this amendment differentiates between citizens and persons. Surely you are not going to declare illegal immigrants untermensch are you?
But that's the whole point. We are WAY past the point where we are able to welcome such individuals. Whatever one thinks we owe the rest of the world, our obligations to our own citizens are paramount. And we can't even meet them.
Make sure you have a laminated card around your neck instructing the paramedics that under no circumstances are you to be treated at a Catholic hospital.
Bravo. But you should direct this to Mexico and it’s people. Somewhere they got it into their heads that my country is actually their living room and I’m the stranger in it. Where is it written that I, a Christian, have to subsidize criminality and welcome trespasser’s into my home ?
Well, since you mentioned a reference to the Third Reich, you must also be aware of the importance of culture, and the destructive impact of multiculturalism on all known societies?
When Americans can go illegally to other countries and work there and get welfare there, I will consider the flawed argument you are attempting to raise.
Man IS a territorial organism. No faith, neither Catholic nor Communism, can change that.
Also, America is the leading nation in the world, far further along the path to the “Shining City on a Hill” that man has always dreamed of. To allow any nation of people to destroy or even seriously degrade that achievement is simply not acceptable.
Come to the choice, as Islam seems about to force upon us, even the killing of one or two billion people is not too high a price to keep America American.
As Paul Johnson said, “If the American experiment in self government fails, that which comes after will be unspeakably worse.”
Unspeakable squats in hte White House as I type.
Oh, and all too many of the Catholic system support him.
As for what I would do with the illegal immigrants - what was good enough for America when Dwight Eisenhower was President is OK with me. Start another Operation Wetback, deport them, them build a good fence. The Israeli’s have lots of expertise, so have them design it.
But build the fence!
Your suspicion is correct - I am a one of those cold blooded, reptilian Republicans - I don’t think foreign criminals have rights here.
James 2:14-17
"14 What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save them? 15 Suppose a brother or a sister is without clothes and daily food. 16 If one of you says to them, “Go in peace; keep warm and well fed,” but does nothing about their physical needs, what good is it? 17 In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead." The vast majority of illegal immigrants are not lawless people. They come for the same reasons our ancestors did, for the opportunity for a better life for themselves and their families. They work incredibly hard for relatively little pay. Were Americans not willing to pay them they would not come. The Church only advocates for a respect for them as humans and children of God.
Mexicans are Catholics. They should fix their own country and respect the rights of the citizens of mine. If you want to come here, do it legally ,why can’t they understand this? Christ didn’t espouse lawlessness nor is it Christian to steal as Mexicans are doing. Using Biblical passages to sanitize criminality is a poor excuse indeed.
For the most part Mexicans are patriotic, conservative, religious, hardworking, family oriented, self reliant people. We conservatives have much more in common with the culture, character and values of the Mexican immigrant than we do with our home grown welfare class.
“For the most part Mexicans are patriotic, conservative, religious, hardworking, family oriented, self reliant people.”
I must note that Mexico (AKA Messico) seems not to resemble America, despite your claim of commonality.
Note the Messican civility, with murders being so infrequent. And, did I mention they don’t burn anywhere as many people alive in barrels as we do?
Mexico is culture based on stone age cannibal society with a alter Spanish Catholic graft that seems to be undergoing rejection. And, that Catholicism was impacted, negatively, by the 700 years of being Islamic dhimmis (slaves).
All too much of Islam can be found in Mexican culture. Note the degrqded position of women, the acceptance of mistresses, and let’s not forget that jewel of the Islamic world, Baaksheesh.
Yes, it is called La Mordita in Spanish, but it is still the Islamic bribe system.
Mexico never knew any legal system like American law. The best they had never assured they security in person or property. “El Padron” is still able to do as he sees fit.
I have saved the best comparison for the last. American cities don’t have airborne coliform bacteria counts as part of the weather report. Mexico City does.
You are correct about the American ghetto welfare class not being acculturated Americans. However, they did that to themselves. Detroit is a good example.
Most chancellories are staff by liberals, even when the bishop is a social conservative. Which is why they follow the Democratic line.
Are you suggesting that our country's immigration policy is illegal? That anyone should be permitted to waltz in and be treated as a citizen? The "we Catholics" you mention had better realize that not all Catholics agree with them and with bishops who advocate breaking our laws. And I'm not referring to "outsiders" here.
That Bishop Lynch was on the list of bishops came as no surprise to me. This man did nothing to save the life of Terri Schiavo who was starved to death in Florida. His opinion matters not one iota to me.
I’d guess the population of Tejanos in American jails is very low, even on a population adjusted basis. Some of those families were on their land before the Pilgrims went ashore, if I remember my history correctly.
However, Tejanos are not illegal immigrants, by definition.
Time for another Operation Wetback.
From the article: “It also recognizes the right of persons to migrate so that they can realize their God-given rights.”
I hope I read that quote wrong, but didn’t the Catholic Church’s Bishop’s Statement on Immigration just take the position that people have the RIGHT TO IMMIGRATE TO AMERICA?
If so, the Bishops are arguably over the theological line and into the territory of sedition/treason.
I suspect the Catholics, being a monarchical structure, have difficulties with America being a republic of sovereign citizens. Because we are sovereign citizens, we need not accept “authority”, not do we tend to accept the interpretation of the word of G*d, having Bibles of our own.
America is, at its core, Protestant. Catholicism is authoritarian in a way which must give the Catholic Bishops acute dyspepsia at times - times like this debate.
Personally, I find any specific religious “authority” claiming that God commands us to cede any portion of the Constitution to Mexicans to be ill advised, and eventually likely to cause a rejection of the Catholic Church.
No man has the “right to migrate to America” as I don’t have the right to migrate elsewhere.
I can apply for permission to move to another land, but to claim a divinely approved right for me to so do is assinine, if not overtly Liberation Theology.
PS Liberation Theology is communism with a churchy renaming plastered over the same old ancient evil.
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