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To: jamese777

Nowhere in the links you’ve provided did anyone say the Obama campaign requested in 2007 and was sent a certified copy of Obama’s Certification of Live Birth which was later uploaded to the internet as proof of Obama’s eligibility.

You won’t find it in the links you sent or any others - the State of Hawaii has never once verified it, regardless of how many times believers twist words to fit their facts. To make matters worse, Abercrombie blew out of the water any prior statement when he announced the only record is a “written statement” in an archive.

God words in mysterious ways - the very person who was going to ride in and put an end to the birthers and all their questions, failed. In spectacular fashion. Abercrombie confirmed the previously unspecific documents and prior verifications said to have verified Obama’s birth story, were so much garbage. Abercrombie deserves a standing ovation, now even progressives are asking other progressives “why doesn’t he just release the damned things?”. For now we’ll assume Crissy lost that tingle down his leg.

You are also aware that two different hospitals have been said over the years to be Obama’s place of birth, only to be changed when questioned. That doesn’t include the potential of a home birth or hospital birth our of country.

The most telling is that neither hospital makes claim to Obama being born there. If Lingle had verified, proven without a shadow of a doubt he was born at Kapiolani, there would at minimum be a plaque somewhere acknowledging that. But, Kapiolani won’t verify he was born there....because he wasn’t. Mike Evans three times is on record saying Abercrombie could find nothing at the hospitals either. Imagine that.

NRO listed Kapiolani only to redact the hospital when questions arose.

In November 2004, Obama’s sister, Maya Soetoro, told reporters with the Rainbow Newsletter that Obama was born at the Queen’s Medical Center in Honolulu. But in February 2008, she told the Honolulu Star Bulletin that Obama was born at the Kapi’olani Medical Center for Women and
Children, also located in Honolulu.

During a fund raiser for Kapi’olani Hospital, Abercrombie read from a letter purported to be from the White House thanking Kapi’olani for giving birth to Obama. When asked specifically about the letter at a news conference on July 13, 2009, White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs evaded
the question, but stated, “The noble truth is that the president was born in Hawaii, a state of the United States of America. He would not verify the authenticity of the letter that once appeared on Kapi’olani’s website but has now been removed.

When questions were raised about the authenticity of the letter, various news outlets including UPI and snopes itself changed their listed place of birth for Obama from Queen’s Hospital to Kapi’olani.

Obama is using a Connecticut SS% and is on record saying he traveled on an Indonesian Passport.

As for what can and can’t be released, that excuse hasn’t held water for years. A man who has specific members of the press assigned to him 24/7, 365 days a year, to document his every move, has no expectation of privacy. Abercrombie’s AG’s statement that neither the Gov or even Obama himself can release any documents should prove to even the most hard headed believer how ridiculous the claim is.

While it’s understandable how difficult it must be to accept how corrupt our government and judiciary has become to allow something like this to take place, an unvetted, unverified, unknown person sitting in our White House, the worst case scenario is here.

Believers can continue to delude themselves all they wish, to twist words and scant evidence to support their beliefs; no longer can you spread around lies and half-truths to support those delusions. Amazingly Abercrombie through Obama’s true believers under the bus.


85 posted on 01/30/2011 3:07:41 PM PST by Brytani (Liberals - destroying America since 1776)
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To: Brytani

Nowhere in the links you’ve provided did anyone say the Obama campaign requested in 2007 and was sent a certified copy of Obama’s Certification of Live Birth which was later uploaded to the internet as proof of Obama’s eligibility.

You won’t find it in the links you sent or any others - the State of Hawaii has never once verified it, regardless of how many times believers twist words to fit their facts. To make matters worse, Abercrombie blew out of the water any prior statement when he announced the only record is a “written statement” in an archive.

God words in mysterious ways - the very person who was going to ride in and put an end to the birthers and all their questions, failed. In spectacular fashion. Abercrombie confirmed the previously unspecific documents and prior verifications said to have verified Obama’s birth story, were so much garbage. Abercrombie deserves a standing ovation, now even progressives are asking other progressives “why doesn’t he just release the damned things?”. For now we’ll assume Crissy lost that tingle down his leg.

You are also aware that two different hospitals have been said over the years to be Obama’s place of birth, only to be changed when questioned. That doesn’t include the potential of a home birth or hospital birth our of country.

The most telling is that neither hospital makes claim to Obama being born there. If Lingle had verified, proven without a shadow of a doubt he was born at Kapiolani, there would at minimum be a plaque somewhere acknowledging that. But, Kapiolani won’t verify he was born there....because he wasn’t. Mike Evans three times is on record saying Abercrombie could find nothing at the hospitals either. Imagine that.

NRO listed Kapiolani only to redact the hospital when questions arose.

In November 2004, Obama’s sister, Maya Soetoro, told reporters with the Rainbow Newsletter that Obama was born at the Queen’s Medical Center in Honolulu. But in February 2008, she told the Honolulu Star Bulletin that Obama was born at the Kapi’olani Medical Center for Women and
Children, also located in Honolulu.

During a fund raiser for Kapi’olani Hospital, Abercrombie read from a letter purported to be from the White House thanking Kapi’olani for giving birth to Obama. When asked specifically about the letter at a news conference on July 13, 2009, White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs evaded
the question, but stated, “The noble truth is that the president was born in Hawaii, a state of the United States of America. He would not verify the authenticity of the letter that once appeared on Kapi’olani’s website but has now been removed.

When questions were raised about the authenticity of the letter, various news outlets including UPI and snopes itself changed their listed place of birth for Obama from Queen’s Hospital to Kapi’olani.

Obama is using a Connecticut SS% and is on record saying he traveled on an Indonesian Passport.

As for what can and can’t be released, that excuse hasn’t held water for years. A man who has specific members of the press assigned to him 24/7, 365 days a year, to document his every move, has no expectation of privacy. Abercrombie’s AG’s statement that neither the Gov or even Obama himself can release any documents should prove to even the most hard headed believer how ridiculous the claim is.

While it’s understandable how difficult it must be to accept how corrupt our government and judiciary has become to allow something like this to take place, an unvetted, unverified, unknown person sitting in our White House, the worst case scenario is here.

Believers can continue to delude themselves all they wish, to twist words and scant evidence to support their beliefs; no longer can you spread around lies and half-truths to support those delusions. Amazingly Abercrombie through Obama’s true believers under the bus.


I hope that you’ve already applied for your black belt in the picking of nits. You’ve earned it.

Let’s assume for a second that everything you post above is the absolute truth and the way things happened.
All you and folks who agree with you need do is convince one single prosecuting attorney in the entire United States to convene a grand jury investigation into your allegations. With a grand jury investigation comes the power to subpoena documents and records and the ability to compel witnesses to testify under oath.

I’d be most interested in your explanation as to why in the nearly four years since February 10, 2007 when Barack Hussein Obama II announced his candidacy for the presidency, no grand jury investigation into his eligibility has been convened if there are serious constitutional issues here worth investigating.

Oh, and the St. Petersburg Times newspaper’s investigative unit, politifact, e-mailed a copy of the Obama campaign’s 2007 COLB to Ms. Janice Okubo, Public Information Director for the Hawaii Department of Health. Ms. Okubo reviewed the scan of the document and told the St. Petersburg Times that:
“It’s a valid Hawaii state Birth Certificate.”
Later in the interview she said that she had ordered her own COLB and Obama’s was identical.

Furthermore ALL scanned and actual images of Obama COLBs are irrelevant since the Director of Health for the state of Hawaii, Dr. Chiyome Fukino issued a news release saying that she had personally seen and verified Obama’s ORIGINAL birth certificate along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics for the State of Hawaii, Dr. Alvin T. Onaka, whose signature appears on the 2007 COLB issued to Obama.
Dr. Onaka is alive and well and certainly would be able to testify as to whether the state Health Department issued the 2007 COLB or not.
Dr. Chiyome Fukino is also alive and well and able to testify under oath as to exactly what document she observed in the files of the Department of Health and what information is on that document.
Any official judicial or legislative body can call Hawaii officials to testify under oath. But none have.

Finally, I went to Kapiolani’s web site and found the Centennial Magazine with the letter from President Obama in it. Here’s a link. The reference to President Obama being born at Kapiolani is on the first page on the right hand column:
http://www.kapiolanigift.org/doc/centennial-magazine.pdf

President Obama’s full letter is on page six.


86 posted on 01/30/2011 3:37:52 PM PST by jamese777
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