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Obama's Risky Path in Egypt
Newsweek ^ | Jan. 30, 2011 | Leslie H. Gelb

Posted on 01/30/2011 3:46:19 PM PST by fightinJAG

Obama administration officials say they are not taking sides between President Hosni Mubarak, America’s key ally in the Arab world, and the street protesters who purportedly represent a path to democracy in authoritarian Egypt. These officials might even believe what they’re saying. But the very assertion of “not taking sides” is itself a tilt away from the all-out support traditionally given by Washington to this Egyptian strongman in recent decades.

The administration’s move is a slide toward the unknown. Senior officials have no idea of exactly who these street protesters are, whether the protesters are simply a mob force incapable of organized political action and rule, or if more sinister groups hover in the shadows, waiting to grab power and turn Egypt into an anti-Western, anti-Israeli bastion. The White House has called upon its intelligence agents and diplomats to provide answers, but only best guesses are forthcoming.

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But those officials who think this way forget their history. When President George W. Bush made his push for democracy in Arab lands, he ended up with Hamas terrorists winning a democratic election and ruling the Gaza Strip. And this “democratic” thinking also overlooks that Bush’s pressing for democracy in Lebanon helped open the doors to power for the radical Hezbollah group. And yes, the anti-shah revolution in 1979 started out with moderates in power, only to be pushed aside by the clerical radicals who still rule today. In rotten regimes that fall to street mobs, the historical pattern has been moderates followed by new dictators. Just remember the model of the Bolsheviks, a tiny group of extremely well-organized communists, wresting control away from the great majority of discontented and disorganized Russians in 1917.

(Excerpt) Read more at newsweek.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: betrayal; caliphate; egypt; imamobama

1 posted on 01/30/2011 3:46:22 PM PST by fightinJAG
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To: fightinJAG

McCain said yesterday that Barry is doing a swell job.


2 posted on 01/30/2011 3:49:33 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (If ObamaCare is so great, why is Barry giving waivers to all of his friends, donors and supporters?)
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To: fightinJAG

Deja vu, all over again.......


3 posted on 01/30/2011 4:01:07 PM PST by Red Badger (Whenever these vermin call you an 'idiot', you can be sure that you are doing something right.)
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To: fightinJAG

Two days ago Obama couldn’t have found Egypt on a map. Two days later and he still doesn’t know what the heck to do. And he’s not going to worry about it either. He’s that clueless.


4 posted on 01/30/2011 4:02:11 PM PST by jmacusa (Two wrongs don't make a right. But they can make it interesting.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Tell me it ain’t so...Dang Caligula’s horse could do a better job.


5 posted on 01/30/2011 4:03:23 PM PST by Nuc 1.1 (Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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To: fightinJAG

The Administration is, as usual clueless about what to do. This article leans towards supporting the policy of “STABILITY” in lieu of Justice in the Middle East. The past 60 years of support for thugocracy in the region has fed the seething cauldron of hatred for the West.

The Mubarek Government has ruled since 1967 under a measure of “emergency” suspension of fundamental rights. It would seem that 44 years was quite enough time to usher in some “reform”.

There are at least some sparks of hope that the Egyptians want Liberty and Justice for All, and to the extent that they do - we need to be in unequivocal support. Obama let the Green Uprising in Iran be quashed without a word of support for the people. We should not play by stander when people demand liberty in place of tyranny.

Besides that, supporting those that seek true liberty - is likely the best way to prevent an Islamic Theocracy from seizing power here.


6 posted on 01/30/2011 4:04:24 PM PST by crescen7 (game on)
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To: fightinJAG

Iran part II.


7 posted on 01/30/2011 4:10:29 PM PST by Bon mots ("Anything you say, can and will be construed as racist...")
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To: fightinJAG

Obama is content to see the street rioters win the struggle and push Egypt into the radical Islamic camp.


8 posted on 01/30/2011 4:11:15 PM PST by Iron Munro ("Our country's founders cherished liberty, not democracy." -- Ron Paul)
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To: crescen7

I would prefer that we push for change in enemy regimes like NK, Iran, Burmuda, and Venuzuela rather than demand a rolling of the dice with our stable allies.

Obama said Jack S*** to NK, Iran, and just 2 weeks ago he was not chiding Hu Jinto on human rights.
He was kissing his *** and throwing him a party.


9 posted on 01/30/2011 4:14:14 PM PST by mylife (Opinions: $1.00 ~ Halfbaked: 50c)
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To: fightinJAG
Who Lost Egypt?

Hint: Obama

10 posted on 01/30/2011 4:17:01 PM PST by Obadiah (Smitty Werbenjagermanjensen. He was #1.)
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To: fightinJAG

Me think 0bama simply sits out of this mess, and wait until it’s time for him to play a savior again. He doesn’t really care which side win as long as it benefits him.


11 posted on 01/30/2011 4:17:06 PM PST by paudio (The differences between Clinton and 0bama? About a dozen of former Democratic Congressmen.)
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To: crescen7

12 posted on 01/30/2011 4:17:30 PM PST by mylife (Opinions: $1.00 ~ Halfbaked: 50c)
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To: jmacusa
Two days ago Obama couldn’t have found Egypt on a map.

Of course he could find it on the map. It's two countries north of his homeland (Kenya).

That would be like me not knowing where Kansas is (Texas).

13 posted on 01/30/2011 4:20:50 PM PST by Centurion2000 (Any economy based on Keynesian principles and practices are always ponzi/pyramid schemes.)
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To: fightinJAG

"Hey, listen - uhhh, can you guys do some more of those Palin-bashing stories? This thing in, uh, Egypt's not making me look too good and we could use the distration."

"Absolutely, sir! You know you can count on us!"


14 posted on 01/30/2011 4:21:43 PM PST by COBOL2Java (Obama is the least qualified guy in whatever room he walks into.)
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To: mylife

“would prefer that we push for change in enemy regimes like NK, Iran, Burmuda, and Venuzuela”

Agreed. But certainly not a mutually exclusive choice.

“rather than demand a rolling of the dice with our stable allies.”

No demand, just a clear statement of support for Liberty, and legitimate government based on the consent of the governed. Mubarek is going to fall. We didn’t cause either his rise or fall - but we did lend support along the way. He has failed. That’s not our fault. What happens in his wake can either be a good thing or a disaster - our support for those that can make it a good thing should not be dismissed.


15 posted on 01/30/2011 4:22:52 PM PST by crescen7 (game on)
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To: crescen7

My concern here is that Obama had no voice of support when people rose against our clear enemies, but he pipes right up against our allies.

Why the disparity of action?


16 posted on 01/30/2011 4:27:43 PM PST by mylife (Opinions: $1.00 ~ Halfbaked: 50c)
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To: fightinJAG

I don’t think there’s nothing we can do about any of this. We’ve sat by and allowed 8th century cavemen to get the nuclear bomb. And while our enemies have been acquiring all they can we’re signing weak treaties agreeing to get rid of ours. What we should have done was took over the world in 1945. I’m afraid it’s too late now.

1) I hope I’m wrong.

2) I’m glad my race is nearly run.


17 posted on 01/30/2011 4:32:17 PM PST by Terry Mross (We need a SECOND party.)
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To: fightinJAG
Obama administration officials say they are not taking sides between President Hosni Mubarak...

It'd be tough to decide what side to take when you don't know what's going on. All those golf outings and pick-up b-ball games keep you distracted.

What a joke our government would be if it weren't so evil and tragic.

18 posted on 01/30/2011 4:44:31 PM PST by MichiganConservative (Terrorists don't commit genocide. That's what governments do.)
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To: mylife

“Why the disparity of action?”

He’s a clueless moron maybe? He really doesn’t like liberty? take your pick.

Remember, Mubarek isn’t really an Allied Government, it’s more of tolerated Government. When he’s ousted, and he will be - we need to be pro-active in supporting Liberty.

In fact, we could all go a long way in supporting liberty by simply advocating as much on our posts. We are Americans and we support Liberty. We should be clear that we will support a liberated Egypt - and it should be also clear that should they lapse into a theocratic tyranny - we will hope it is squashed like a bug.


19 posted on 01/30/2011 4:44:49 PM PST by crescen7 (game on)
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To: crescen7

We dont even know who the players are.

You need to read this. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2665870/posts


20 posted on 01/30/2011 4:48:10 PM PST by mylife (Opinions: $1.00 ~ Halfbaked: 50c)
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“Good Grief. Obama Cut Funding for Egyptian Democracy Programs Before the Current Crisis”
Posted by Jim Hoft on Saturday, January 29, 2011

From the article:

“In its first year, the Obama administration cut funding for democracy and governance programming in Egypt by more than half, from $50 million in 2008 to $20 million in 2009 (Congress later appropriated another $5 million). The level of funding for civil society programs and non-governmental organizations (NGOs) was cut disproportionately, from $32 million to only $7 million. Though funding levels for 2010 are not yet available, they are expected to show an increase to $14 million, says Stephen McInerny, the director of advocacy at the Project on Middle East Democracy. He notes that the Bush administration slashed economic aid to Egypt in the 2009 budget but kept the funding for democracy and governance programs constant, while Obama cut funding to those programs in an effort to make the cuts more proportional and under pressure from the American embassy in Cairo.”

http://gatewaypundit.rightnetwork.com/2011/01/good-grief-obama-cut-funding-to-democracy-activists-before-the-current-revolution/


21 posted on 01/30/2011 4:49:19 PM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: crescen7

should they lapse into a theocratic tyranny - we will hope it is squashed like a bug.

“hope and change” is not working


22 posted on 01/30/2011 4:49:57 PM PST by mylife (Opinions: $1.00 ~ Halfbaked: 50c)
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To: Red Badger
Deja vu, all over again.......

Aye...won't be long before "America Held Hostage: The Sequel" and gas lines.

23 posted on 01/30/2011 4:51:00 PM PST by lightman (Adjutorium nostrum (+) in nomine Domini)
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To: MichiganConservative

If this has been building up as long as Axelrod claims, then why the long vacation in Hawaii just one month ago? This guy never works. He’s a simple minded celebrity that should be hosting Wheel of Fortune or something.


24 posted on 01/30/2011 4:52:29 PM PST by dandiegirl
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To: dandiegirl

He had a Private Partay last night.
I kid you not.


25 posted on 01/30/2011 4:54:41 PM PST by mylife (Opinions: $1.00 ~ Halfbaked: 50c)
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To: dandiegirl

http://messageboards.aol.com/aol/en_us/articles.php?boardId=551411&articleId=675724&func=6&channel=Member+Guided+News&filterRead=false&filterHidden=true&filterUnhidden=false


26 posted on 01/30/2011 4:56:56 PM PST by mylife (Opinions: $1.00 ~ Halfbaked: 50c)
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To: mylife

He had a Private Partay last night.
I kid you not

I read that. He doesn’t care. He does nothing. Others write his speeches, script his “calls” to foreign leaders- he probably has someone pretend they are BO so he doesn’t have to talk to them. Someone holds his hand in everything he does. That someone gave him permission to go to the party and told him not to worry that someone would handle the current crisis so he won’t have to miss any fun.


27 posted on 01/30/2011 5:00:22 PM PST by dandiegirl
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To: dandiegirl

Also of note is Moochelle did not attend.

Hmmmm....


28 posted on 01/30/2011 5:06:21 PM PST by mylife (Opinions: $1.00 ~ Halfbaked: 50c)
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To: fightinJAG
We are STILL paying in blood and treasure for the mistakes Carter made with Iran. I hope this will not cost us a single American life; but I fear it will end up costing MANY.
29 posted on 01/30/2011 5:30:38 PM PST by coldtexan (30 below keeps the RIF RAF out)
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To: crescen7

I’ve heard that Obama has yet to even speak to Mubarik. Think about that for a moment.

Say what you will about the man, he’s in power. He should have our interim support. We can speak of free speech etc. (funny didn’t hear those words when the people were being killed in the streets of Iran), but the message our gov’t should be sending is that, we will not allow thugs to overturn this gov’t.

SEt up some orderly process to pass rule, but by not taking sides, we are looking clearly as we did when Carter was president.

I agree with this article. In times like these, moderates step in followed by anarchists who are better organized.


30 posted on 01/30/2011 5:48:08 PM PST by nikos1121
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To: jmacusa

The _resident and Chrissy Math-U’s are worried about the Panama Canal over there, ain’t they?


31 posted on 01/30/2011 7:39:18 PM PST by Dryman ("FREE THE LONG FORM!")
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To: Dryman

That would be the Suez Canal.


32 posted on 01/31/2011 4:58:40 PM PST by jmacusa (Two wrongs don't make a right. But they can make it interesting.)
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To: Centurion2000

Beg to differ my friend. Obama couldn’t find his own butt with both hands.


33 posted on 01/31/2011 5:10:55 PM PST by jmacusa (Two wrongs don't make a right. But they can make it interesting.)
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To: fightinJAG

Just remember the model of the Bolsheviks, a tiny group of extremely well-organized communists, wresting control away from the great majority of discontented and disorganized Russians in 1917.

This is of course why the liberals fear the Tea Party
so much.
The repubs are not a threat to them but the repubs
lead and motivated by the Tea Party are a force to
be reconned with.


34 posted on 01/31/2011 5:16:55 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: jmacusa

Mr. Mathews called it the Panama Canal the other night.


35 posted on 01/31/2011 5:58:46 PM PST by Dryman ("FREE THE LONG FORM!")
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