Posted on 02/02/2011 7:31:01 AM PST by SE Mom
URGENT: Gunfire heard in Cairo's Tahrir Square as supporters of President Mubarak and anti-government demonstrators clash hours after the embattled leader defiantly said he would serve out his term in office.
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Janet Napolitano: Terror threat highest since 9/11
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2671116/posts
Egypt’s foreign minister has said he was furious at what he described as “confusing” messages from the United States in the early days of Egypt’s protests.
In an interview Tuesday with “PBS NewsHour,” Foreign Minister Ahmed Aboul Gheit said the Obama administration’s message is now “much better” because he believes it understands that abrupt change will lead to chaos.
None of that was sustainable, because the institutions being used- BEING USED- to perpetuate the bloodshed were founded upon principles that were not compatible with the behavior. While it continued for an extended period, a study of the history will reveal that it was enacted by various factions along the way, because the very foundations upon which they were built did not allow for such behavior.
Long story short, Christianity cannot sustain a culture of violence. Islam cannot sustain a culture without violence.
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I am watching Cavuto. Big Sis says terror alert is high, but she’s vague. This admin. is imcompetent. They need to all shut-up.
As far as I know there has been no effort to reform islam. Christianity started its reformation beginning in the 12th century up and into the 16th century. We have matured out of those violent periods. Also, it was the leaders, both religious and civil, who ordered and commanded these atrocities, not the lay people.
Thank you for your input.
“In a lot of cases, I find people simply object to any comparisons being drawn between Christianity and islam, and as a result dismiss my onservations.”
You may be right there. In some subtle, back of the mind thinking, I have rejected your statement. Yet I also believe the these two religions are so diametrically opposed I cannot accept islam as a religion, but a theocratic form of government.
Oops...observations
Sometimes I think Neil is the only sane anchor left in America. Particularly today with his approach towards Ms. Lohan! :)
From the viewpoint of an academic study, Islam is a religion.
From the viewpoint of reasonable, well meaning, good hearted, freedom loving people, Islam is a travesty.
Please don’t mistake my comments as a defense of Islam. I have tried to be very clear that I am about as opposed to Islam as one can be without dropping the nukes myself.
I am, by education, training and study, a student of Anthropology. Granted, I am still exactly that: a student. It’s so damn expensive to go to college that I am stretching it out so that I don’t have to go into further debt for a piece of paper, and on top of that I have decided to join the military. But I digress. The point is that I tend to look at things from an anthropological viewpoint, without all the hippy liberal crap that goes along with it.
The fact is, whether we like it or not, that there are similarities between Christianity and Islam. The similarities are in the STRUCTURE of the belief system, however, and less so in the content and message. Understanding Christianity allows us to understand Islam, at least how it functions as a societal mechanism, or within the context of viewing a population.
Apart from that, the two could not be more different, and I am completely sympathetic to the urge to reject all comparisons made between the two. As a Christian I am often appalled at the comparisons made. Especially because they are made erroneously by the libtards of the yapping-mouth left. Their fallacious claims damage what I try to present as reasonable observations.
Frankly, it pisses me off.
I hope you understand that, in my view, Christianity is the Truth, the way and the light, our salvation. Islam is crap that kills. My comparisons are only to facilitate an understanding of how PEOPLE manage their relationship with the religious practice of either system.
SNOWING HERE! I AM GOING OUTSIDE TO TAKE PICTURES!
Excellent. I love pictures of snow! :)
Apparently Christians and Muslims do not obey the same Ten Commandments. LIke “Thou shalt not kill.”
bttt
Yes we have matured out of our violent period in Christianity. Perhaps because we started 600 years earlier, or perhaps because Islam has not had as profound a leader as Martin Luther. He won adherents because he was against the excesses (women, indulgences, etc.) of the Catholic popes and priests, and the fact that non Latin bibles were outlawed. In fact this was one of the “crimes” of the Cathars. Not only did they have a French bible, but the leaders led pure lives. However, it seems that one of the early arguments between the Sunnis and the Shias is that the Sunni branch developed the opulent Caliphate, and the Shias led by Mohammed’s grandson (I think it was) encouraged a more modest life style. So it sounds a little like the Catholic church against the more modest Protestant style. An interesting possibility for change is that the Wahabi funded madrassas teach the Koran in Arabic whether it is in Pakistan (Pashto and other languages) or Indonesia (many different languages). I wonder if it were translated into the native languages how the people would respond. I also have heard that there is no coherant order such as themes or chronologically as to when written. Rather the shuras are in order by length of paragraph, Going from short to long or long to short, I don’t know which. Thus, if you want to examine something like rights of women, there is no one chapter to look at.
Here is the latest AOL story on matters in Egypt. This doesn’t look right. I will check it and go back and get the correct feed if this is wrong.
http://mail.aol.com/33222-111/aol-6/en-us/Suite.aspx
Here is the correct link about latest Egypt developments regarding stated intentions of the Muslim Brotherhood.
Good morning all!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world/middle_east/
Iranian opposition leader Mehdi Karroubi has been put under house arrest, his website says, after he called for a rally in support of Egypt and Tunisia’s popular uprisings.
http://www.businessinsider.com/abdullah-dies-report-2011-2
There’s An Unconfirmed Report Going Around That Saudi King Abdullah Has Died (UPDATE: Saudi govt denies)
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4026684,00.html
Egypt bus drivers go on strike as unrest spreads
Inside the White House - State Department rift on Egypt
Various tweets:
Someone asked MB leader Mohd Mursi what their plan was and he literally said ‘wait and see’ #jan25 about 15 hours ago via Twitter for BlackBerry®
@ianinegypt: Protesters and police square off in front of Abdeen Palace. #jan25 #egypt less than 20 seconds ago via Snaptu
@willjordan: Reports: Protesters in Port Said are setting government building on fire #egypt less than a minute ago via web
Cross post about the Saudi King:
(still waiting for a confirmation as well, but a bit more on the topic)
“Obama and the King got into a heated debate about their opinions of what Hosni Mubarak should do. After the phone call sources stated that King Abdullah was furious and then suffered a sudden heart attack.”
Doctors ran to his resuce but were unable to save him. He was pronounced dead, but his death was not reported due to the sensative conditions that exist in the region. The Saudi Arabian government will reject this claim; but the ball is in their court to prove that he is alive.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2671443/posts
I’m sure the Saud King rumor isn’t true, but thought I’d add a little ‘tabloid’ reading with your morning coffee : )
I know...and am wondering who put it out and what the purpose was...
Meanwhile- more rumors:
foxnews12 minutes ago#BreakingNews: Head of Egypt’s Ruling Party, Military Officials Say #Mubarak Will Respond to Protesters’ Demands #jan25
Confirmation??
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NBC: Mubarak stepping down tonight
NBC ^ | 10 Feb 2011 | Unknown
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Multiple sites reporting now.
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Egypt protests: Hosni Mubarak ‘may be stepping down’
BBC ^ | 2/10/2011
Posted on Thursday, February 10, 2011 8:30:54 AM by therightliveswithus
A senior member of Egypt’s governing party has told the BBC he “hopes” that President Hosni Mubarak will transfer power to Vice-President Omar Suleiman.
Hossan Badrawi, secretary general of the National Democratic Party (NDP), said Mr Mubarak would “most probably” speak to the nation soon.
It comes on the 17th day of protests against Mr Mubarak’s 30-year rule.
Reports say Egypt’s army is expected to make a statement shortly in which it will respond to protesters’ demands.
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Yep- check Drudge- siren up! Seems confirmed.
Holy crap- what next?
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