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1 posted on 02/12/2011 10:01:50 AM PST by dragnet2
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How much does it cost to power that huge ball?


2 posted on 02/12/2011 10:03:58 AM PST by MNDude
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They’re probably gearing everyone up for the big grid shut downs this coming summer...


3 posted on 02/12/2011 10:05:35 AM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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Screw ERCOT and the PUC

We need to get rid of ERCOT and the PUC and then let the free market distribute energy. While this crisis during the icestorm would have been much worse had we been fully regulated (we would have had long blackouts, not just brownouts) ERCOT really screwed the pooch on this one and gave the uneducated liberals a talking point on how deregulation failed, even though we’re not truly deregulated.


6 posted on 02/12/2011 10:09:43 AM PST by TXConservative25
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How much wind generation was lost due to the ice storms? That is a killer on ERCOT now. Those lignite/coal fired plants TxU was going to build are being missed now......


8 posted on 02/12/2011 10:17:38 AM PST by nuke rocketeer (File CONGRESS.SYS corrupted: Re-boot Washington D.C (Y/N)?)
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To: dragnet2
It's the same old scam that worked so well way back in the ‘70’s, cry scare’city, then you can gouge up the price.

During the "70's oil "crisis" tankers ridin' low in the water were waiting offshore just out of sight.

Ask any old pilot who was flying low over the sea back then.

If you were a criminal that had perfected a criminal activity & you never got caught, why would you stop?

10 posted on 02/12/2011 10:21:41 AM PST by de.rm ('Most people never believe anything you tell them unless it isn't true."-Groucho Marx)
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Thereby charging more for less.


16 posted on 02/12/2011 10:36:07 AM PST by ReverendJames (Only A Painter Or A Liberal Can Change Black To White)
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To: dragnet2
Some background info. This is not a surprise.
Check out the last paragraph on the second quote (bottom of post).

Obama and Coal: Obama Admits His Policies Will “Bankrupt” Coal Industry

Obama on Coal Power:

“So if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can. It’s just that it will bankrupt them.”

Transcript of audio of an Obama interview with the SF Chronicle:

"Let me sort of describe my overall policy.

What I’ve said is that we would put a cap and trade system in place that is as aggressive, if not more aggressive, than anybody else’s out there.

I was the first to call for a 100% auction on the cap and trade system, which means that every unit of carbon or greenhouse gases emitted would be charged to the polluter. That will create a market in which whatever technologies are out there that are being presented, whatever power plants that are being built, that they would have to meet the rigors of that market and the ratcheted down caps that are being placed, imposed every year.

So if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can; it’s just that it will bankrupt them because they’re going to be charged a huge sum for all that greenhouse gas that’s being emitted.

That will also generate billions of dollars that we can invest in solar, wind, biodiesel and other alternative energy approaches.

The only thing I’ve said with respect to coal, I haven’t been some coal booster. What I have said is that for us to take coal off the table as a (sic) ideological matter as opposed to saying if technology allows us to use coal in a clean way, we should pursue it.

So if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can.

It’s just that it will bankrupt them."

Obama Energy Secretary Promises "Massive" Coal Plant Closures

"Obama Energy Secretary Steven Chu has launched the next phase of the White House’s publicly stated agenda to bankrupt the coal industry via EPA regulations after announcing the prospect of “massive” coal plant closures even as Texas and other states suffer rolling blackouts as a result of maxed-out power plants that cannot cope with demand.

The Obama administration’s strict enforcement of draconian EPA regulations has led to new clean-burning coal-fired plants being mothballed and other existing ones being shut down, which has in turn led to Texas and other states becoming energy-dependent, leading to shortages and blackouts exacerbated by freezing temperatures."


21 posted on 02/12/2011 10:48:24 AM PST by Iron Munro ("Our country's founders cherished liberty, not democracy." -- Ron Paul)
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This article, 4 days ago, urged us to cut our usuage for the next few days.
22 posted on 02/12/2011 10:49:16 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer (biblein90days.org))
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When I bought my all electric house in the early 80’s we were being promised low electric prices in the future from cheap nuclear power. Of course, only one nuclear power plant managed to get built - way late and over budget.

Texas produces a lot of wind energy, but you’re probably not going to want to operate those things during an ice storm.


23 posted on 02/12/2011 10:49:49 AM PST by smokingfrog ( BORN free - taxed to DEATH (and beyond) ...)
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To: dragnet2
Links Fixed:

Some background info. This is not a surprise.
Check out the last paragraph on the second quote (bottom of post).

Obama and Coal: Obama Admits His Policies Will “Bankrupt” Coal Industry
November 2, 2008

Obama on Coal Power:

“So if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can. It’s just that it will bankrupt them.”

Transcript of audio of an Obama interview with the SF Chronicle:

"Let me sort of describe my overall policy.

What I’ve said is that we would put a cap and trade system in place that is as aggressive, if not more aggressive, than anybody else’s out there.

I was the first to call for a 100% auction on the cap and trade system, which means that every unit of carbon or greenhouse gases emitted would be charged to the polluter. That will create a market in which whatever technologies are out there that are being presented, whatever power plants that are being built, that they would have to meet the rigors of that market and the ratcheted down caps that are being placed, imposed every year.

So if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can; it’s just that it will bankrupt them because they’re going to be charged a huge sum for all that greenhouse gas that’s being emitted.

That will also generate billions of dollars that we can invest in solar, wind, biodiesel and other alternative energy approaches.

The only thing I’ve said with respect to coal, I haven’t been some coal booster. What I have said is that for us to take coal off the table as a (sic) ideological matter as opposed to saying if technology allows us to use coal in a clean way, we should pursue it.

So if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can.

It’s just that it will bankrupt them."

Obama Energy Secretary Promises "Massive" Coal Plant Closures
February 10, 2011

"Obama Energy Secretary Steven Chu has launched the next phase of the White House’s publicly stated agenda to bankrupt the coal industry via EPA regulations after announcing the prospect of “massive” coal plant closures even as Texas and other states suffer rolling blackouts as a result of maxed-out power plants that cannot cope with demand.

The Obama administration’s strict enforcement of draconian EPA regulations has led to new clean-burning coal-fired plants being mothballed and other existing ones being shut down, which has in turn led to Texas and other states becoming energy-dependent, leading to shortages and blackouts exacerbated by freezing temperatures."


27 posted on 02/12/2011 10:57:24 AM PST by Iron Munro ("Our country's founders cherished liberty, not democracy." -- Ron Paul)
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I’ve been in power outages before, but never rolling blackouts.

Do you get any warning? Do they say in advance what areas will be out? And how long do the outages last?


29 posted on 02/12/2011 11:03:00 AM PST by canuck_conservative
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I’ve been in power outages before, but never rolling blackouts.

Do you get any warning? Do they say in advance what areas will be out? And how long do the outages last?


30 posted on 02/12/2011 11:03:11 AM PST by canuck_conservative
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How much more electricity does Texas use keeping warm in the winter than it does keeping cool in the summer?


34 posted on 02/12/2011 11:10:52 AM PST by PLMerite (Thanks for fixing the clock.)
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Will they pay us if we reduce consumption?


37 posted on 02/12/2011 11:32:07 AM PST by GeronL (http://www.stink-eye.net/forum/index.php for FR backup site!)
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I expect that these blackouts will become common throughout the country come summer when the windmills can’t keep up and the EPA shuts down coal plants.


40 posted on 02/12/2011 11:35:22 AM PST by The Great RJ (The Bill of Rights: Another bill members of Congress haven't read.)
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At least those in the White House won’t have to suffer. Their thermostats are being kept at 80°F all winter.


45 posted on 02/12/2011 11:40:57 AM PST by Hoodat (Yet in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us. - (Rom 8:37))
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3rd world countries run out of electricity. Modern civilizations build power generation facilities to meet demand and plan ahead for that demand..

By the way, what happens in summer? I hear it gets hot in Texas? I also hear that air conditioners use electricity?

48 posted on 02/12/2011 11:46:45 AM PST by HereInTheHeartland (Vote like Obama is on the ballot)
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How about installing more power plants?


52 posted on 02/12/2011 2:00:07 PM PST by upcountryhorseman (An old fashioned conservative)
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Save energy. Abolish ERCOT.


57 posted on 02/12/2011 3:52:44 PM PST by PAR35
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