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Conyers: Individual Mandate Has Nothing to Do With Individual Liberty
CNS News ^ | February 16, 2011 | Matt Cover

Posted on 02/16/2011 12:54:29 PM PST by Sopater

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To: Sopater
Conyers argued that states require the purchase of auto insurance and that citizens are required to pay taxes, send their children to school, and receive vaccinations.

You only need auto insurance if you own and drive a car. My elderly mother does neither. She isn't required to buy auto insurance. My middle son is unemployed. No earned income. No requirement to pay taxes. Vaccinations can be refused on medical or religious grounds. Public schools? Yuck. The government really has no constitutional authority to establish schools or require students to attend them. Perhaps it is time to revisit that failed travesty.

21 posted on 02/16/2011 1:28:28 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: Emile

It’s worse for auto insurance. States don’t even require it to drive. They only require it to drive a car on public roads. You don’t need that insurance to drive, for example, a racing, off-road or farm vehicle.


22 posted on 02/16/2011 1:30:28 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: tet68

John Conyers is a moron. Who listens to anything he says?


23 posted on 02/16/2011 1:37:05 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Sopater

Randy Barnett’s to testify today on Obamacare mandate here’s his new Examiner Op column - Obamacare’s individual mandate is a dangerous new federal power http://washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/op-eds/2011/02/obamacares-individual-mandate-dangerous-new-federal-power#


24 posted on 02/16/2011 1:44:36 PM PST by anglian
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To: Sopater
Conyers argued that states require the purchase of auto insurance and that citizens are required to pay taxes, send their children to school, and receive vaccinations.

Dear God, what a moron this guy is. Auto insurance is proof of financial responsibility and mitigates financial liability. It has NOTHING to do with medical "insurance", which isn't insurance anymore, but just a group rate on doctor bills.

As a homeschooler, I do not "send [my] children to school", and I suppose this moron sees that as a problem.

And vaccinations? The states should subsidize them in the name of public health. I got no problem with that; the states don't have constitutionally enumerated powers like the FedGov does. But NO state should be able to compel an individual to give his kid a vaccination he/she disagrees with. And I don't think any do.

25 posted on 02/16/2011 1:46:27 PM PST by backwoods-engineer (Any politician who holds that the state accords rights is an oathbreaker and an "enemy... domestic.")
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To: antiRepublicrat
Yes it does. In a state sovereignty model, I can simply choose to move to a different state and remain an American. In their fed-rules-all model, I have no choice but to renounce my citizenship and leave the country -- and even then in many cases the IRS can still get you.

EXCELLENT POINT!

26 posted on 02/16/2011 1:48:16 PM PST by backwoods-engineer (Any politician who holds that the state accords rights is an oathbreaker and an "enemy... domestic.")
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To: Lazamataz

Spot on, well said.


27 posted on 02/16/2011 2:08:46 PM PST by EdReform (Oath Keepers - Guardians of the Republic - Honor your oath - Join us: www.oathkeepers.org)
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To: Sopater

Conyers is an inept senile fool whoms wife is a federal prison. this guy is a joke he will say anything even if its is false. what do expect for a detroit politician


28 posted on 02/16/2011 2:26:37 PM PST by hondact200 (Candor dat viribos alas (sincerity gives wings to strength) and Nil desperandum (never despair))
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To: Lazamataz

Somehow you could have worked in there his wife has no individual liberty as she is sitting in federal prison for bribery.


29 posted on 02/16/2011 2:33:16 PM PST by quantim (#ObamaTehranMoment <==twitter hashtag)
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To: quantim
John Conyers (D-MI) is a Communist. When Americans and allied nations threw the Soviets, Cubans, and other Cold War intel types out of Grenada in 1983 (Operation URGENT FURY), we found documents linking Conyers and Ron Dellums (D-CA) to the Cuban DGI (their version of our CIA).

So what happened? Nothing. The U.S. government chose to condone treason because both Conyers and Dellums were Black and the Dems had Congress.

30 posted on 02/16/2011 6:18:33 PM PST by MasterGunner01 (To err is human; to forgive is not our policy. -- SEAL Team SIX)
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To: quantim
John Conyers (D-MI) is a Communist. When Americans and allied nations threw the Soviets, Cubans, and other Cold War intel types out of Grenada in 1983 (Operation URGENT FURY), we found documents linking Conyers and Ron Dellums (D-CA) to the Cuban DGI (their version of our CIA).

So what happened? Nothing. The U.S. government chose to condone treason because both Conyers and Dellums were Black and the Dems had Congress.

31 posted on 02/16/2011 6:19:08 PM PST by MasterGunner01 (To err is human; to forgive is not our policy. -- SEAL Team SIX)
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To: MasterGunner01

So what member of the congressional black caucus is not a socialist/communist?

Good luck with that.


32 posted on 02/16/2011 7:17:16 PM PST by quantim (Victory is not relative, it is absolute.)
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To: Myrddin

Most, if not all states require liability insurance - that’s for the OTHER guy, not the driver, or proof of financial responsibility, in the form of a bond.

There’s nothing that says I have to keep collision on my car - PROVIDED IT’S MY CAR.

The “car insurance” analogy is ridiculous. But let’s use it. Some people can’t drive - they can’t pass the vision req’s, or pass the drivers test. But according to this line of thinking, the state is fine to require them to buy it?

I want a pony for every kid too, don’t get me wrong, but I like how they always talk about “high quality” and “affordable” for “ everyone” Pick two.

Or - “We need to more like Sweden” Or _________, wherever. One big reason many euro countries could afford socialized medicine (Well, they probably can’t either) or at least attempt it - and this never gets pointed out - those countries enjoyed the umbrella of US defense spending and nuclear deterrence for a half century or more of the Cold War. It’s more than a little disingenuous to point to Europe.


33 posted on 02/16/2011 7:29:11 PM PST by Freedom4US
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To: quantim

That is true, but how many have (had) direct ties to a FOREIGN intelligence agency actively hostile to the United States?

That nothing was done is still mind-numbing. Remember, these guys also have “security clearances” to look at classified information. OK, what’s the point if you have foreign agents of influence that can read these documents?


34 posted on 02/17/2011 11:11:54 AM PST by MasterGunner01 (To err is human; to forgive is not our policy. -- SEAL Team SIX)
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