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To: circlecity
And liberals call it compassion to lie about the answer to that question. Sending someone to hell in a state of sexual satisfaction is not an act of love.

And there, I think, you have the answer.

I will openly admit there are LOTS of people who know Scripture far better than I. I only read, ponder, and act on what I come to understand.

The Bible is clear that homosexual acts are condemned, but I can't find where being homosexual is condemned. I know it seems like a fine line, but consider the other fine lines that are drawn.

So there seems to be recognition that the condition exists, and even tacit understanding that some people would have affection for their own sex, but clear prohibition against acting on it as well as admonition against lustful fantasizing. But genuine affection?

Channel it correctly, make it about genuine love and not lust, and I'd be hard pressed to find where the condemnation is.

10 posted on 02/19/2011 3:27:38 AM PST by Quiller (When you're fighting to survive, there is no "try" -- there is only do, or do not.)
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To: Quiller
"But genuine affection"

Paul calls these affections "vile affections" and that's not as a compliment. What you call "being homosexual" Pauls calls being given up by God unto vile affections.

12 posted on 02/19/2011 3:34:15 AM PST by circlecity
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To: Quiller

Sorry, but “being” homosexual is simply choosing that lifestyle. We ALL are created in God’s image and ALL are born heterosexual.

Homosexuality, like pedophelia, is a vile, disgusting choice that He rejects as an abomination.


18 posted on 02/19/2011 4:12:19 AM PST by newfreep (Palin/West 2012 - Bolton: Secy of State)
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To: Quiller

quiller in Johns’ Gospel Chapter 3 it is written “this then is the condemnation a light has come into the world,but men preferred the darkness -because their deeds were evil.(verse 19?) You are correct in your assessment. If they come to the light and see clearly that their deeds are evil there is hope.
If their deeds keep them from the light they are condemned by their own actions. IT is not the attraction that is the evil deed but like King David with another mans wife when he dwelt upon her naked ,in her bath ,and dreamed of acting upon his fantasy then that which he conceived in his heart became sin.


22 posted on 02/19/2011 4:30:16 AM PST by StonyBurk (ring)
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To: Quiller
you said:”The Bible is clear that homosexual acts are condemned, but I can't find where being homosexual is condemned. I know it seems like a fine line, but consider the other fine lines that are drawn.”

“Gay Christians”
It's not a fine line to me. If you continue to commit homosexual sex acts you are both gay and condemned. If you don't you are not.

The problem is in someones definition of being gay (homosexual).
To me, having gay sex defines it. So, technically if you are not having gay sex, you aren't gay. So to me a “Gay Christian” is an oxymoron.

As far as “bring a gay to church day” I would say only if you tell them in advance that God thinks that behavior is an abomination. That bringing then to church is an effort to convince them to change their sinning ways. To become a member they would have to publicly renounce homosexuality.

In that case, not many would still want to come to church. I don't believe in “tricking” people into church or “tricking” people into salvation. This is why there are so many hypocrites in church. They were never “real” to begin with.

43 posted on 02/19/2011 7:16:07 AM PST by faucetman (Just the facts ma'am, just the facts)
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To: Quiller

The Bible is clear that homosexual acts are condemned, but I can’t find where being homosexual is condemned. I know it seems like a fine line, but consider the other fine lines that are drawn.

The whole point of church is that you, I or anyone else is IMPERFECT in some way, including in what we feel the urge to do, if everyone acted without second thought on who knows what urges they had in their mind, the world would be way worse than it is now. Homosexual inclinations are far from being the only “bad” urge one can feel heck, even though I’m not I am far from clean and have needed to confess what I thought wrong or did wrong sometimes.

The act is condemned, but the urge, everyone gets some urge to do something that is wrong, it’s up to each of us to either act or be acted upon by it. The urge to get even, the urge to get something without earning it, the urge to have sex with someone premaritally or extra-maritally is wrong either way. Or let’s say you had issues with just simply thinking too much about sex. Probably see where I am going with this. Point is, there are just simply many urges which we should simply not be acted upon by, homosexual inclinations are far from being the only one. I guarantee you pretty much all of us have issues with one “wrong” urge or the other, I sure did and do from time to time. It’s all about what actions those urges turn into, and what we do about it in the end.


54 posted on 02/19/2011 12:42:25 PM PST by Morpheus2009
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