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SAN FRANCISCO: No wonder Tenderloin needs public toilets
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | 2/24/11 | C.W. Nevius

Posted on 02/24/2011 7:58:30 AM PST by SmithL

It sounds like a no-brainer. The Tenderloin needs more bathrooms.

"Everybody who walks through here says it smells like urinal," said Dina Hilliard, interim executive director of the North of Market/Tenderloin Community Benefit District.

Actually, it smells worse than that. SF Clean City, which does yeoman work cleaning Tenderloin streets, charted the "incidents of human waste and urine," between January and July of last year. Including data from the Department of Public Works, the totals ranged from 600 to 800 incidents a month.

And yet, with all the service organizations in the neighborhood - offering everything from counseling to drug treatment, housing advocacy and free meals - almost none of them provide a supervised public toilet.

That's ridiculous. The large organizations, like St. Anthony's and Glide Memorial Church, serve thousands of hearty meals every day and then send their clients out into the neighborhood with virtually no place to use the restroom. No wonder there are feces and urine on their streets.

"As someone said, what goes in must come out," said Tim Svoboda, director of the San Francisco branch of Youth With a Mission, whose group is one of the few that allows walk-ins to use their toilet.

It is easy to imagine why the nonprofits would rather avoid the issue. The facility would need a full-time monitor to keep people from using the bathrooms for drug use, prostitution or other unsavory behavior. Cleaning the facilities would be unpleasant and even dangerous. Workers who clean feces off the city street wear protective clothing because they don't know what they might encounter. . . .

(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; US: California
KEYWORDS: sanfranciscovalues
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1 posted on 02/24/2011 7:58:33 AM PST by SmithL
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To: SmithL

incentive to change, whether it be the carrot or the stick, does not exist.


2 posted on 02/24/2011 8:00:40 AM PST by SparkyBass
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To: SmithL

The smell of progressivism.


3 posted on 02/24/2011 8:02:33 AM PST by skeeter
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To: SmithL

Reap what you’ve sown, San Francisco!


4 posted on 02/24/2011 8:04:39 AM PST by NRA1995 ("In [Mexican] border, we are asking, who are you?" President Calderon of Mexico)
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To: SparkyBass

Where are scoops when you need them?


5 posted on 02/24/2011 8:06:30 AM PST by Seeking the truth (0cents.com - Where's the Birth Certificate stuff here!)
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To: SmithL

Actually, this is kind of a metaphor for the city of San Francisco itself.


6 posted on 02/24/2011 8:14:16 AM PST by circlecity
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To: SmithL

The city of San Francisco IS a public toilet.


7 posted on 02/24/2011 8:16:11 AM PST by Cincinatus (Omnia relinquit servare Rempublicam)
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To: SmithL
That's ridiculous. The large organizations, like St. Anthony's and Glide Memorial Church, serve thousands of hearty meals every day and then send their clients out into the neighborhood with virtually no place to use the restroom. No wonder there are feces and urine on their streets.

I see. Its not the degenerate bums that use the public streets as their own personal toilet that are at fault. Its hardworking, decent taxpayers at fault for not providing supervised facilities. The facilities must be supervised because the semi-civilized, drug crazed, layabouts can't control themselves due to the racism, bigotry, and greed of Middle-class working people.

8 posted on 02/24/2011 8:17:59 AM PST by Roninf5-1 (If ignorance is bliss why are so many Americans on anti-depressants?)
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To: Roninf5-1

Keep talking like that, and you’ll find yourself on the SF Board of Stupidvisors.

;)


9 posted on 02/24/2011 8:19:59 AM PST by SmithL
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To: Cincinatus; circlecity; NRA1995

These are San Francisco Values!


10 posted on 02/24/2011 8:21:50 AM PST by SmithL
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To: SmithL
Actually, it smells worse than that. ... "incidents of human waste and urine,".

Kinda like the Wisconsin State Capitol building at the moment.

11 posted on 02/24/2011 8:22:03 AM PST by Last Dakotan (Hunting - the ultimate in organic grocery shopping.)
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To: SmithL
It is easy to imagine why the nonprofits would rather avoid the issue. The facility would need a full-time monitor to keep people from using the bathrooms for drug use, prostitution or other unsavory behavior. Cleaning the facilities would be unpleasant and even dangerous.

There's the answer to their question right there. Put a bathroom in and you'll attract gays, prostitutes, junkies and others who will use the bathroom for things other than what nature intended.

Then the inevitable liability lawsuits when someone gets stuck by a discarded needle or gets a disease from using these facilities.

It all boils down to whether "helping thy fellow man in need" is worth the price (literal and figurative) that comes with it or does it make more sense to just give the undesirables the tough love boot of a one-way bus ticket to somewhereelseville.

12 posted on 02/24/2011 8:24:58 AM PST by OrangeHoof (Washington, we Texans want a divorce!)
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To: Roninf5-1
What kind of society would force a bum to eat a hearty meal & then ignore their bathroom needs?

The fact is they could provide each bum with a toilet & bidet & they'd walk past them & pee on the street. Most are not right in the head.

Question is how long will the liberals ignore reality?

13 posted on 02/24/2011 8:27:33 AM PST by skeeter
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To: SmithL

It appears the bums are doing to San Francisco the same thing Obama is doing to America.


14 posted on 02/24/2011 8:27:33 AM PST by circlecity
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To: SmithL

My friends were out there on vacation a few mos ago and they told me none of the restaurants have bathrooms because the homeless will come in and start using them and bathing out of the sinks etc. Even Starbucks has no bathroom. There is no place that will let you use the facilities because apparently due to the PC nature of San Francisco they can’t just let the patrons use the bathroom they would have to let anybody use them. Unbelievable.


15 posted on 02/24/2011 8:28:38 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: SmithL
CURB YOUR TRANSIENT

By Order
San Francisco Department of Public Health


16 posted on 02/24/2011 8:28:57 AM PST by RichInOC (San Francisco is bad for children and other living things.)
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To: SmithL
Several years ago Portlands mayor opened up the restrooms at City Hall 24/7 for everybody. That lasted about 2 weeks when the city discovered that not only were some of the users not housebroken, but, they couldn't tell the difference between a toilet and a dark hallway. Naturally, the business owners had figured that out years ago and had security guards strategically positioned during business hours to keep the restrooms and halls unfecaled.
17 posted on 02/24/2011 8:31:05 AM PST by crazyhorse691 (Now that the libs are in power dissent is not only unpatriotic, but, it is also racist.)
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To: SmithL
In 2006 I visited San Fran (to catch Giants baseball)... stayed not far from city hall and something called the UN plaza or square. I walked out of my hotel (Ramada at the time) and was disgusted with the odor. All the retail establishments had folks washing down their parts of the side walk with hoses.

Homeless/beggers every where.

Some of the homeless set up shop on the sidewalk with a blankets selling toothpaste and other shelter give-aways... really?

Who the hell would buy toothpaste from a homeless person?

Answer: NO ONE!

And another thing, these homeless people always had broods of mangy dogs with them... they can't even take care of themselves.

F! San Francisco... I'll see my National League team... the San Fran Giants play away games in Houston or at the TX Rangers when they're into inter-league play.

18 posted on 02/24/2011 8:35:23 AM PST by Trajan88 (www.bullittclub.com)
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To: SmithL

SF pays people to pick up human crap so the tourists can walk in a straight line. Stage IV liberalism on display.


19 posted on 02/24/2011 8:40:57 AM PST by JPG (As WI goes, so goes the nation. Thank you, Gov Walker.)
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To: Roninf5-1

We have the same problem in Los Angeles — no public restrooms. But it’s not just “degenerate bums” that need them — it’s everybody. I think public restrooms are one of the few services government should provide, like roads and armies.

A private company offered to install — for free — state-of-the-art outhouses on the downtown streets. Self-cleaning after every use. Repeat, at no cost to the taxpayers — instead the company would sell advertising, just like the sides of buses.

Our city council banned them because they would attract crime. Yeah, well, so do ATMs. Should we ban them, too?

I say install them and hire a monitor. Cheaper than hiring droves of people to clean up the city streets. Everybody wins.


20 posted on 02/24/2011 8:44:39 AM PST by Blue Ink
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