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To: BykrBayb

“”You used the argument that illegal aliens are entitled to have all of their health care paid for by Americans at the expense of the lives of Americans. I just want to know how you can justify such an opinion.”

No, I was using that as an example. People want to bring this baby to an American hospital. I am against that. It is the same as bringing in illegals to take advantage of our healthcare. I am against that, too.
The people who want this baby transported here do not see the difference. On one hand, they are against illegals using our healthcare. On the other hand, they want to bring this child here. It does not compute.

This decision on American babies and adults happens everyday in hospitals.We cannot keep dead people alive on ventilators, it would bankrupt this country even further.

This child cannot be declared dead until they remove him from the ventilator.He would then stop breathing.You can keep a dead person alive on a ventilator. Take for instance organ donors. They are dead, but on a ventilator until donation surgery.So there is no death certificate yet.


89 posted on 03/04/2011 6:27:41 AM PST by kaila
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People want to bring this baby to an American hospital. I am against that. It is the same as bringing in illegals to take advantage of our healthcare. I am against that, too.

NOBODY is asking for American taxpayers to pay for Baby Joseph's care. You have offered ZERO PROOF of your claim and you are doing it to divert attention from the real issue.

Canadians who are sick of the Canadian health care system come to America and pay for medical care EVERY DAY. There no similarity between this and illegals using ERs for free.

The people who want this baby transported here do not see the difference. On one hand, they are against illegals using our healthcare. On the other hand, they want to bring this child here. It does not compute.

No, it is YOU who doesn't see the difference. There are NO LAWS against people from any country coming to America and paying for health care out of their own pockets and I've never seen ANYONE suggest that they shouldn't be allowed to.

YOU are making money an issue where it isn't.

This decision on American babies and adults happens everyday in hospitals.We cannot keep dead people alive on ventilators, it would bankrupt this country even further.

Unless you can provide documentation that the American taxpayers would be asked to pay for Baby Joseph's care, your statement is meaningless.

This child cannot be declared dead until they remove him from the ventilator.He would then stop breathing.

NOWHERE in the medical report you posted does it make this claim; in fact it says this:

Dr. F discussed the condition of ZM, the sister of JM, who died in infancy after a prolonged stay at LHSC. He said that her MRI and MRS were remarkably similar to those completed on JM. He said that Dr. S was involved in ZM's case and that the doctors reluctantly agreed to give her a tracheostomy and send her home.

Baby Joseph's sister survived for SIX MONTHS with her tracheotomy.

93 posted on 03/04/2011 7:08:38 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: kaila
We cannot keep dead people alive on ventilators

That's right. We can't. Dead people are dead. Live people are alive. There are no zombies hanging around, pretending to be alive. If you see someone moving on their own, or reacting in any way to their environment, that person is alive.

Until you develop a basic understanding of this simple fact, you will remain incapable of understanding any of the more complicated issues involved. At the rate you're going, I don't think you'll ever understand the concept of right and wrong as it pertains to caring for or killing vulnerable people.

100 posted on 03/04/2011 8:27:37 AM PST by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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To: kaila

Paying a hospital in the U.S. to willingly provide necessary care to prevent a baby legally brought into the country from being killed is not the same as forcing unwilling hospitals to provide unnecessary medical care to illegal aliens for free. Anyone with an IQ above the imaginary threshold set by the euthanazis should understand that. If your IQ is too low to understand it, you should submit yourself to the treatment you demand for anyone else with such a low IQ.


103 posted on 03/04/2011 8:41:24 AM PST by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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To: kaila; wagglebee
We cannot keep dead people alive on ventilators...

This child cannot be declared dead until they remove him from the ventilator. He would then stop breathing. You can keep a dead person alive on a ventilator. Take for instance organ donors. They are dead, but on a ventilator until donation surgery.So there is no death certificate yet.

He has been removed from the ventilator. He is not "dead": BREAKING: Baby Joseph is home: defies critics by breathing completely on his own

108 posted on 04/21/2011 9:26:37 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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