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To: Carry_Okie
Genesis 16

6But Abram said unto Sarai, Behold, thy maid is in thine hand; do to her as it pleaseth thee. And when Sarai dealt hardly with her, she fled from her face.

7And the angel of the LORD found her by a fountain of water in the wilderness, by the fountain in the way to Shur.

8And he said, Hagar, Sarai's maid, whence camest thou? and whither wilt thou go? And she said, I flee from the face of my mistress Sarai.

9And the angel of the LORD said unto her, Return to thy mistress, and submit thyself under her hands.

10And the angel of the LORD said unto her, I will multiply thy seed exceedingly, that it shall not be numbered for multitude.

11And the angel of the LORD said unto her, Behold, thou art with child and shalt bear a son, and shalt call his name Ishmael; because the LORD hath heard thy affliction.

12And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren

Hence, we know that the angel was Satan and that Islam isn't going away until the end as it was set up to be the adversary of the people of G_d from the beginning.

Now there I think that you are wrong. the Bible seems to say that it IS the angel of the Lord. There are no doubt various views about this angel, as there is about everything in the Bible. However, many evangelical Christian theologians consider that whenever the term "angel of the Lord" occurs, as opposed to just an "angel", that it refers to the pre-incarnate Christ.

I won't argue the Hebrew with you, as it is outside of my area of expertise. But that's my opinion, also.

However, you are undoubtedly correct, IMO, that Islam was set up from the beginning to be an adversary to the Lord. But the Arab peoples would also have had the free choice that God gives everyone.

11 posted on 03/09/2011 10:29:42 AM PST by chesley (Eat what you want, and die like a man.)
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To: chesley
Now there I think that you are wrong.

Upon what basis? Because "people in authority" say so?

I have learned from hard experience that such sources are far less reliable than commonly supposed, and I have proven as much.

the Bible seems to say that it IS the angel of the Lord. There are no doubt various views about this angel, as there is about everything in the Bible. However, many evangelical Christian theologians consider that whenever the term "angel of the Lord" occurs, as opposed to just an "angel", that it refers to the pre-incarnate Christ.

That is a stretch.

I won't argue the Hebrew with you, as it is outside of my area of expertise. But that's my opinion, also.

It doesn't have to be. Between the Interlinear Scriptural Analyzer and the BlueLetterBible Strong's search engine, you can learn a very great deal about the Scriptures that were previously only the province of experts.

13 posted on 03/09/2011 10:44:53 AM PST by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by central planning.)
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