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Gang Rape Story Lacked Balance (says NYT public editor)
New York Times ^ | March 11, 2011 | ARTHUR S. BRISBANE

Posted on 03/12/2011 3:22:24 AM PST by reaganaut1

The story quickly climbed The Times’s “most emailed” list but not just because of the sensational facts of the crime involved. “Vicious Assault Shakes Texas Town,” published on Tuesday, reported the gang rape by 18 boys and men of an 11-year-old girl in the East Texas town of Cleveland.

The viral distribution of the story was, at least in part, because of the intense outrage it inspired among readers who thought the piece pilloried the victim.

My assessment is that the outrage is understandable. The story dealt with a hideous crime but addressed concerns about the ruined lives of the perpetrators without acknowledging the obvious: concern for the victim.

While the story appeared to focus on the community’s reaction to the crime, it was not enough to simply report that the community is principally concerned about the boys and men involved – as this story seems to do. If indeed that is the only sentiment to be found in this community – and I find that very hard to believe – it becomes important to report on that as well by seeking out voices of professional authorities or dissenting community members who will at least address, and not ignore, the plight of the young girl involved.

Let’s consider the particulars:

The story by James C. McKinley Jr. reported that residents of the town noted the girl dressed “older than her age,” wore makeup and fashions “more appropriate to a woman in her 20s” and hung out with older boys at the playground.

The story also quoted one resident, saying, “Where was her mother? What was her mother thinking?”

Referring to some of the defendants in the case, the same resident was quoted saying, “These boys have to live with this the rest of their lives.”

(Excerpt) Read more at publiceditor.blogs.nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: clevelandtexas; nyt; rape
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To: onevoter
Thank you for your comment, I am hated by a number of these “Home-schoolers” because I am a common sense conservative that also happens to be a public school teacher. I have offered a number of them a list of my students that they should take and demonstrate just how well their methods work. Not a one of them has taken the offer.
141 posted on 03/12/2011 1:03:51 PM PST by verga (I am not an apologist, I just play one on Television)
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To: Hardraade

Those are just the ones they’ve caught. They think there are a lot more.


142 posted on 03/12/2011 1:06:54 PM PST by Politicalmom (America-The Land of the Sheep, the Home of the Caved.)
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To: wintertime
How many times have I offered to let you take some of my students to show how well your theories work? 7-10-50, and not once have you agreed to take up my offer.

I even have one that will be a piece of cake for you. He is in our school because Mommy and Daddy gave up after home schooling him for 8 years he is "supposed" to be a sophomore according to his Homeschool records, but he barely reads at the eigth grade level. Of course this might explain why he had to be banned from the middle school because he was "dating" and eighth grade girl. Maybe she was tutoring him. In two years time he has only earned 4 Carnegie credits. did I mention that he tips the scale at 300 pounds. Yeah your theories work real well.

BTW i am getting my Administrative certificate so i can continue to change it from the inside. No need thank me.

143 posted on 03/12/2011 1:24:36 PM PST by verga (I am not an apologist, I just play one on Television)
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To: wintertime
How many times have I offered to let you take some of my students to show how well your theories work? 7-10-50, and not once have you agreed to take up my offer.

I even have one that will be a piece of cake for you. He is in our school because Mommy and Daddy gave up after home schooling him for 8 years he is "supposed" to be a sophomore according to his Homeschool records, but he barely reads at the eigth grade level. Of course this might explain why he had to be banned from the middle school because he was "dating" and eighth grade girl. Maybe she was tutoring him. In two years time he has only earned 4 Carnegie credits. did I mention that he tips the scale at 300 pounds. Yeah your theories work real well.

BTW I am getting my Administrative certificate so I can continue to change it from the inside. No need thank me.

144 posted on 03/12/2011 1:25:06 PM PST by verga (I am not an apologist, I just play one on Television)
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To: golux; wintertime

golux you might want to find out more about her personal history before you say things like that. I’m just saying......


145 posted on 03/12/2011 1:29:37 PM PST by verga (I am not an apologist, I just play one on Television)
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To: onevoter

To that, I’ll add that the government has parents scared to use ANY physical discipline for fear of losing their children.


146 posted on 03/12/2011 1:44:19 PM PST by Politicalmom (America-The Land of the Sheep, the Home of the Caved.)
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To: verga
If you are a “professional” educator, your professors should have taught you that it is impossible to do a double blind study on one child. In fact, ethically, it is nearly impossible to construct double blind studies in education for groups of children.

So...Your example of the 300 lb homeschooled boy who reads at the 8th grade level is merely an anecdotal example.

Were you aware that only 32% of the nation's **government** schooled children can read proficiently in the 8th grade? What should we do with the 68% who can't read? Should we force them to homeschool?

Also...Since a double blind study on your student is impossible, it is completely possible that if he attended school he may have weighed 400 or 500 lbs. Since the opportunity for exercise and diet control would have been far less.

It is also possible that his reading level may have been lower if he attended school.

Now for an anecdotal reports of my own:

My husband and I tutor the Spanish speaking children of the Spanish speaking members of our church in our county. We also run the cub scout troop for the Spanish speaking congregation.

I work weekly with children who can NOT read at all! They can not look at the number, 512, and tell me what it is. They can not add, subtract, multiply, or divide. They have absolutely no idea what a denominator represents. In other words they are innumerate and illiterate. ( These are children who are **born** in the U.S., have attended head start, and speak English **VERY WELL**!)

If these kids, that my husband and I work with weekly, are learning **anything** at all it is because dedicated members of our church are putting in tons of hours of AFTERSCHOOLING!

147 posted on 03/12/2011 2:15:32 PM PST by wintertime
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To: wintertime
Oh sweety I see you still are ignoring my offer, You have a chance to prove your “theories” and and you won't take it.
You know D@mn well that Public schools do work for the majority for the population and you are just afraid to admit that it is the parents that did a crappy job of raising these kids that raped that girl. It had nothing to do with the school system. And while you are at it you might as well admit that homeschooling was not 100% effective for you.
148 posted on 03/12/2011 2:24:08 PM PST by verga (I am not an apologist, I just play one on Television)
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To: verga
you are just afraid to admit that it is the parents that did a crappy job of raising these kids that raped that girl. It had nothing to do with the school system.

If children attend schools that are godless in their worldview they **WILL** learn to think and reason godlessly. They **must** simply to get along, participate in the program, and do the assignments.

Having generation after generation of Americans subjected to government godless indoctrination, is, ( in my opinion) a large contributing factor in the moral degeneration that we see all around us. This incident involving the rape of this poor girl is merely one more drop of pee floating in the sewer.

You know D@mn well that Public schools do work for the majority for the population

Well...The U.S. government disagrees with you. Please do a Google on the words: "32% eighth graders". You will see that only 32% of the nation's eighth graders read at a proficient level. Here is a link:

"US 'report card' on reading: 8th-graders gain, 4th-graders don't "

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Education/2010/0324/US-report-card-on-reading-8th-graders-gain-4th-graders-don-t

Unfortunately it is unknown if some, or **all**, of the success of those children who can read is due entirely to the efforts of their parents and tutors IN THE HOME. ( My guess is that if a child can read it has everything to do with the work the parents and tutors are doing.)

And...I bet the government's idea of "proficient" isn't the standard of proficient that I used for my homeschoolers! I'd bet my entire 401K on that!

Oh sweety I see you still are ignoring my offer,

I am already taking up your offer with my own county's government institutionalized children. Members of our congregation and I are putting in **tons** of hours **AFTERSCHOOLING** our county's government institutionalized children. If they know anything at all it is because we have taught them and their parents have supported our efforts. Any success that they are having is **NOT** in any way related to the government institutional schools.

And while you are at it you might as well admit that homeschooling was not 100% effective for you.

I was not homeschooled. I was after-schooled by my parents and myself. Nearly all learning I have acquired occurred outside of an institutional setting ( except for laboratories). This is true even on the undergraduate and graduate school levels.

Are you referring to my children? If so, I consider the following to be 100% effective:

My three homeschooled children entered college at the ages of 13, 12, and 13. All finished all general college requirements and Calculus III by the age of 15.

The two younger children finished B.S. degrees in mathematics at the age of 18. The oldest of these two earned a masters in math at the age of 20. She taught math in a private school but is now happily married to a wonderful man and is the full-time mother of two adorable children. The youngest is now finishing the requirements to enter a nursing program.

The oldest took a somewhat different approach to his education. He studied accounting part-time at night and trained full-time in a sport. He has competed on the highest national and international levels. He also choose to take off from his sport for a few years to work with our church in Eastern Europe. As a result he is completely fluent in Russian. In fact, he speaks so well that native Russians think he **is** Russian! In his early twenties he took up his sport again and trained full-time while completing an accounting degree at night. He now is in a masters degree program in accounting and will soon finish. He is married to a beautiful young lady.

All of my children, and their spouses and children, are very active in our church and fully committed to the gospel. My homeschooled children are accomplished ball room dancers, play instruments, (one is a pianist for her congregation) and sing in the choir.

149 posted on 03/12/2011 3:41:27 PM PST by wintertime
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

Good ‘catch’.


150 posted on 03/12/2011 3:47:39 PM PST by Leisler (Our debts are someone's profit. Follow the money, the vig.....)
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To: wintertime

Don’t you wonder why none of us take you seriously?


151 posted on 03/12/2011 6:34:44 PM PST by verga (I am not an apologist, I just play one on Television)
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To: verga

There’s a girl called “slut” in every town...
But does that mean she wants THIS?
And were there so many young men in the town in which YOU grew up willing to do THIS ?


152 posted on 03/12/2011 11:03:53 PM PST by golux
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To: golux

Thank you
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5TwT69i1lU


153 posted on 03/13/2011 1:31:21 AM PST by John 3_19-21 (For government to give anyone a benefit they must first take it from someone else.)
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To: verga

Why do you hate people?


154 posted on 03/13/2011 1:36:51 AM PST by John 3_19-21 (For government to give anyone a benefit they must first take it from someone else.)
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To: golux; wintertime
There’s a girl called “slut” in every town... But does that mean she wants THIS? And were there so many young men in the town in which YOU grew up willing to do THIS ?

I was commenting on your desire to live next to Wintertime and raise your children next to hers. She has some serious issues.

155 posted on 03/13/2011 5:09:28 AM PDT by verga (I am not an apologist, I just play one on Television)
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To: John 3_19-21
Why do you hate people?

I don't, I just realize that Wintertime is not the most mentally balanced person in the room. I have dealt with her for several years now and know her well enough to make that judgment.

Why do you jump to conclusions?

156 posted on 03/13/2011 5:12:03 AM PDT by verga (I am not an apologist, I just play one on Television)
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To: verga; golux; John 3_19-21
She has some serious issues.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Yes, you are right, I do have some serious issues with the following:

**Government schools are godless and simply by attending children learn to think and reason godlessly.

** Government schools are socialist-funded and collectivist. Simply by attending children learn to be comfortable with the government using the threat of police action to take money from a neighbor.

** Government schools are managed by voting mob elected comrade committees that then dictate what children are to think and believe. Is it any wonder that we now have a pervasive atmosphere of political correctness (correct government thinking)? If school panels can dictate a child's thoughts and demand that he thing godlessly, then Death Panels were inevitable!

** No, I don't think conservatives and Christians should be working in these government temples of godless secular humanist worship. They should instead be building underground railroads so the children can escape. They should be joining the Resistance cells that would utterly SHUT DOWN these indoctrination camps and put and end to these godless ovens of Moloch that literally are destroying the very souls of our nation's children.

** No...I don't believe warehousing children in prison-like buildings and driving them around in vehicles that resemble prison-gang buses is good for our nation's children. They should not be standing on corners every morning like day laborers waiting for their pick-up. If we treat children like prisoners they will learn to be prisoners of the state.

** Yes,...I believe our Founding Fathers were right about education. They correctly educated their **own** sons and daughters. Our Founding Fathers homeschooled, attended very small one room schools organized by parents and dame schools in the homes of neighbors, had some private tutoring as needed, were apprentices, and/or attended small home-based academies that prepared them for entrance into college as young teens. With a few exceptions, our nation's children should be enjoying the same.

So...Yes, Verga, I do have serious issues. You are correct. I **seriously** believe that our GODLESS, socialist, collectivist, prison-like, voter mob controlled, and comrade committee managed “schools” ( temples of godless secular humanist worship) are destroying our nation. Yeah!..I have a **serious** issue with that.

157 posted on 03/13/2011 7:23:47 AM PDT by wintertime
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To: reaganaut1
If 18 white men had raped an 11 year old black child the effing Times wouldn't be crying about the plight of the men who raped the child.
158 posted on 03/13/2011 7:28:37 AM PDT by GOPJ (http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/index2.php - It's only uncivil when someone on the right does it.- Laz)
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To: golux
I say that this is what you get when, through the dummying down of public schools, the empowering of the NEA, the embracing of criminal culture, and the installation of sweeping transgenerational welfare and housing programs, you rob people of their basic pride and decency. This girl is a victim of much more than rape.

golux, that's insightful - thanks for sharing.

159 posted on 03/13/2011 7:35:40 AM PDT by GOPJ (http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/index2.php - It's only uncivil when someone on the right does it.- Laz)
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To: Leisler
Also the desire of most of the Times male staff to want to be gang rapped by black men, and if possible at a chic local.

Strange comment - but there's something - some little kernel that 'feels of truth' in there - that makes it hard to dismiss...

160 posted on 03/13/2011 7:42:28 AM PDT by GOPJ (http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/index2.php - It's only uncivil when someone on the right does it.- Laz)
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