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Why libs are lovin' the birthers: Is The Donald a secret agent for the Dems? (Clarence spins it)
The Chicago Tribune ^ | March 30, 2011 | Clarence Page

Posted on 03/29/2011 7:05:55 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Donald Trump has joined the "birthers," the odd movement that questions President Barack Obama's Hawaii birth certificate. That's a good way for the celebrity billionaire to appear as though he's making a serious run for the Republican presidential nomination, which he says he is considering. It also makes him sound like a secret agent for the Democrats.

That oddly credible possibility has been raised by frustrated conservatives like radio talk-show host John Gibson, who sounded furious earlier this week at the way birthers make Republicans look like the crazy party.

That unfortunate image only hurts the party's chances with the sensible independent swing voters it needs to win general elections. Now Trump is bringing even more attention to the birthers. Surely, Gibson speculated, tongue only partly in cheek, Trump sounds like some sort of RINO, a Republican-in-name-only who's secretly trying to help Obama.

Robert Schlesinger, opinion editor at U.S. News and World Report, similarly asked in a blog whether Trump is "really an Obama sleeper agent."

Indeed, if Obama is not directly supporting Trump, he has good reason to root secretly for the birther movement, whose backing Trump seeks....

(Excerpt) Read more at chicagotribune.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; birthers; certifigate; colb; democrats; donaldtrump; naturalborncitizen; obama; pawlenty; secretagent; trump
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To: WPaCon

Thanks for posting that; any political /social implications aside, it’s neat to look at the land forms, proportions that way, and I never have.


81 posted on 03/30/2011 2:53:00 AM PDT by gusopol3
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To: musicman

ROTFLMAO!


82 posted on 03/30/2011 3:27:32 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: trumandogz; crz
Why is it that you are unable to post a source for your assertion that there was a travel ban on US citizens traveling to Pakistan in 1981?I wonder why?
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Why doesn't Obama release his birth certificate?

Why doesn't Obama release other common documents?

83 posted on 03/30/2011 4:07:09 AM PDT by wintertime
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“the fact remains that his father was not, and never became a US citizen. He is therefore not a natural born citizen.”

The “birther” position should be that according to the evidence proffered to date, Obama is not a natural born citizen for the reasons you state. The only way he could be is if he had an American father. The only way to resolve THAT question is by seeing his long-form BC.

In light of all the questions that have been raised about the factual accuracy Dreams from My Father (not to mention its authorship), it has not been established beyond reasonable doubt either that Sr. really was his biological father or that he was born in Hawaii.

Because of the constitutional requirements regarding eligibility for POTUS, American citizens have a RIGHT to know this information. This right supersedes any conceivable right to privacy Obama might have about these matters. To claim otherwise would put Obama above the law. No person, ESPECIALLY the POTUS, is above the law. The question all birthers should ask of skeptics is “why do you believe Obama should be above the law?”


84 posted on 03/30/2011 4:10:05 AM PDT by DrC
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To: Tex-Con-Man
But the primary reason is, the people demanding his BC are his political enemy, many of whom want his political scalp. If I were in his position, I would be disinclined to voluntarily provide evidence to my political opponents whose publicly stated purpose is my removal from office.
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Ok....Hm?....Obama doesn't release his birth certificate and other common documents because his opponents want him to do that. It's a political strategy then. Is that it?

Answer: Only a sadist would do that! Does Obama pull wings off flies just to see them squirm?

Lakin sits in prison. Major Cook lost his security clearance and his job. Our military men and women labor under the suspicious that their Commander in Chief is a usurper. How can that be good for troop morale?

Obama WASTED tax dollars and government resources to send TAX PAID attorneys around the nation to prevent the release of common documents. Obama MISUSED Department of Justice talent at a time when plots were being laid to BLOW UP Times Square, BOMB a Pittsburgh marathon, EXPLODE a plane out of the sky over Detroit, and **KILL** our soldiers on their bases and recruitment centers!

Wa’da guy, that Obama! /s

Regardless the question is simple:

Why doesn't he just release his birth certificate?

85 posted on 03/30/2011 4:17:07 AM PDT by wintertime
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To: wintertime

“Why doesn’t Obama release his birth certificate?”

“Why doesn’t Obama release other common documents?”

I have no idea.

However, when the Birthers state as fact that it would have been impossible for Obama to travel to Pakistan in 1981 due to a travel ban, it makes them look like fools.

And that may be the very answer to your question regarding Obama’s refusal to release the BC.


86 posted on 03/30/2011 4:20:04 AM PDT by trumandogz
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To: trumandogz
I have no idea.
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I have no idea either.

Why doesn't Obama just release his birth certificate?

87 posted on 03/30/2011 4:21:26 AM PDT by wintertime
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To: DallasMike
Here's a tip: Trump is no conservative and he's bringing up this birther stuff to make conservatives look bad and to divert attention from Obama's failures and the proven ideas of conservatism. Obama has too many other weaknesses we need to concentrate on.

I never claimed he was a conservative. If he is a socialist then his fellow socialists should not be afraid to follow his lead by talking about the issue all the during the biggest Constitutional crisis of our time makes a person look bad. Defending the Constitution is the essence of Conservatism! There is no more important issue to focus on than the person who has violated the Constitution by illegally taking over the Presidency!
88 posted on 03/30/2011 4:59:30 AM PDT by Defend Liberty
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The truth is that even without seeing Obama’s Birth Certificate, Obama is not eligible to be President.

His father was never an American citizen.

The BC could prove that he was also not born in America. It could also prove that there was a lie as to who his real father is.

The obvious is in front of everyone’s face. Surprised Trump doesn’t see that.


89 posted on 03/30/2011 5:04:20 AM PDT by dforest
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To: trumandogz

Posted on 31.


90 posted on 03/30/2011 5:14:22 AM PDT by kiryandil
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Trump only sees angles on how to make a buck... he knows he doesn’t have a chance and he knows we know he has the morals of a slug with bad hair and a liquid tan and won’t vote for him. So, he figures how he can capitalize on a non issue issue and make a couple mil by just spouting about the BC.


91 posted on 03/30/2011 5:19:42 AM PDT by dps.inspect (the system is rigged...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The Donald?? Perish the thought. Why, Trump could no more be a stalking horse to draw conservative votes than, say.... Ross Perot!!!


92 posted on 03/30/2011 5:21:41 AM PDT by Notary Sojac (When you buy stocks, you're betting on Bernanke)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

He’s not an Obama secret agent. His ego’s having a wonderful time while he also prepares the ground for a possible Hillary challenge. He’s in the Clinton/Emanuel camp, not at all part of Obama’s team.


93 posted on 03/30/2011 5:23:56 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: wintertime

Trump is on with Laura Ingraham and he’s on a tear. He said at first he thought Obama was “probably” born in Hawaii but now really has his doubts. Keep going Donald.


94 posted on 03/30/2011 6:51:38 AM PDT by surrey
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To: gusopol3

your welcome!


95 posted on 03/30/2011 7:43:04 AM PDT by WPaCon (Obama: pansy progressive, mad Mohammedan, or totalitarian tyrant? Or all three?)
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To: surrey
The same Laura Ingram that would slam the phone down on the birthers?

Well.....I suppose its better late than never.

( I am still really **ticked** at these so-called “conservative” talk show weenies.)

GO DONALD! Shove it up their noses!

96 posted on 03/30/2011 7:49:45 AM PDT by wintertime
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To: Vendome
So we’re the crazies?

Yes.

97 posted on 03/30/2011 8:52:55 AM PDT by curiosity
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To: crz
A: No. It is not possible. Pakistan was on the U.S. .. State Department’s “no travel” list in 1981.

Oh, not that again. Dude, check your facts before posting. There was no travel ban to Pakistan in 1981. Someone just made it up, as with so many other "facts" birthers keep quoting.

98 posted on 03/30/2011 8:56:14 AM PDT by curiosity
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To: curiosity

And meanwhile, 0bama still keeps everything about his past hidden from scrutiny.


99 posted on 03/30/2011 8:57:43 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: EternalVigilance
Except that he wasn't. McCain was born in a civilian hospital in the Republic of Panama.

Sigh. Yet another idiot falls for Fred Hollander's forgery.

100 posted on 03/30/2011 8:58:12 AM PDT by curiosity
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