[triumphant values]

No goalposts were moved in the making of this argument.

Yeah they were. You made an assertion, I countered and then you demanded an answer as to whether it was a requirement. That's a pretty textbook example.

You asserted that my reasons for not having children were inherently materialistic.

Then you went and listed a bunch of material reasons.

Why? If they bred, they wouldn't have the "glitch", as per your definition.

You're parroting a tautology back at me as a rebuttal. That doesn't bolster your point.

[Abin Sur]

Then you went and listed a bunch of material reasons.

It's always helpful to define terms...let me see if I can understand where you're coming from. I listed as reasons for not reproducing:

• 1. Children are messy
• 2. Children are expensive
• 3. They require a massive investment of time
• 4. They are an enormous responsibility

I'll give you #2. #1 isn't quite as strong, but the mess children make and all the associated hassles are material in nature. #3 & #4, though...not so much.

What would you consider non-materialistic reasons for not having children?