2012 is the hill we choose to fight, and if necessary, die on. THAT is the one to focus on. These little piddly billions of cuts is NOTHING, compared to what is possible with Ryan's budget. What I have been reading, I like, from that budget.
The ground to stand on is the debt ceiling, the republicans can just refuse to bring it up, then the democrats will need to start making the deals. A win, win, if they know how to work it. Don’t raise the debt ceiling and you get automatic cuts.
Laz, Ryan’s bill doesn’t have a chance since Boner caved.
If Bachmann will cave to harry Reid, how can anyone expect her to stand up to Al Qaeda?
- JP
You have been snookered again. We are told this after every single capitulation to the marxist for the last 20 years. This deal was not made for the American people. It was made, and fully displayed to us, for and by the K Street lobbyists that both parties serve. It is obscene. And we just swallow it, again, and acting like men say, ya, but just wait until next time. Now they all pat each other on the back and Mitchell calls Reid his honorable friend when just a few hours earlier Reid was accusing Republicans of killing women and children and starving babies. It is all a game, all a show, and all you good losers are falling right in line. God have mercy on the Republic that once was. It is not but a tyrannical democracy.
Exactly....
I agree with you, but Boehner has no gonads. We need someone who will take Ryan’s budget and make it happen. Boner is a spineless, gutless eunuch. I called his office a week or so ago and got one of his young, arrogant snots who made it clear that he didn’t care to hear comments.
So much for being Speaker. Try calling his office next week and leave your thoughts on the spineless one.
It's like Winston Churchill said: "We will wave at them on the beaches, we will hold cocktail parties on the landing grounds, we shall compliment the Majority Leader in the fields and in the streets, but when they get to the hills, by God we'll stand up and fight."
We're big enough to multi-task, sir. My heartfelt wish was that we would have done so.
I agree with you.
Right on.
I have a feeling that this deal will look pretty bad for Reid and Brack as the details come out - a total of $80 or so billion in cuts, requiring Senate floor votes on defunding Planned Parenthood and Obamacare, a ban on funding DC abortions, and a restoration of the the DC school voucher funding that TOTUS had cut.
It's far from perfect, but it's not a bad baby step.
“Ms. Bachmann is correct: This is not the hill to pick to battle over. It’s too small an amount; too little a deficit impact; too late in the game.”
Where did you hear her say that? She has either done a 180 or you are misquoting her. I just heard her say, at 12:14 AM that this WAS a hill worthy of fighting on, we should have fought and taken it to a shut down, and she is voting NO on it.
I don't understand why so many people here are incapable of thinking strategically. I'll admit the Republicans need to market themselves better and go on the offensive a little more. However, the sad fact is that there isn't a single statewide or national race that can be won with the support of Freepers alone. We'll never see all of our dreams come to fruition, but that shouldn't mean we must therefore entrench ourselves at the expense of advancing at least a few feet in the right direction. If we can get the Democrats to meet us two-thirds of the way, as we did tonight, then we've made progress upon which we can later build. We've adjusted the baseline for future appropriations. Additionally, we've saved some of our ammunition for the bigger fights later. It will be much harder to reform entitlements. I'm certain we won't get everything we want then either. But are we better off pushing to get as much as we possibly can, or should we just give up because we only got two-thirds of what we wanted? If Republicans controlled both chambers of Congress and the presidency, then I'd understand the outrage! But the simple fact of the matter is that Republicans only control half of one branch of government! Considering that, we've gotten an excellent deal.
If you disagree, please explain a better strategy, both for the short-term and long-term.
It’s too small an amount; too little a deficit impact; too late in the game.
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If they chickened out over a
“too small amount,
a too little deficit impact,
a too late in the game”.
IF They can’t be trusted to stand firm in a little fracas, if they can’t take the heat in a insignificant small skirmish................ THEY WILL NEVER STAND AND FIGHT IN THE IN THE POLITICAL FLAMES AND PRESSURES OF REAL COMBAT IN THE BIG BATTLE.
There is something else that Reid gave up. There is a chess game going on that may not be obvious. Reid agreed to hold votes on defunding obamacare and planned parenthood.
So big deal, you might say; they won't pass in the senate. Correct, but McCaskill, Tester, and Manchin (all in increasingly red states) will have to vote or find an excuse to be out of town. And odds are (if they want reelection) their opponents will use their votes on these issues in campaign ads. These are not votes Reid wanted to hold.
I agree with you.. September is when we fight and die. Shut the government down.. hold it down.. wait until the elections and see what happens.
When it’s time to take a stand, *take a stand*.
obama played with the military. goddamn him for that.
Boehner likely should have taken to every airwave yelling about soldiers in 2 wars being used as HOSTAGES, given that the democrats favor that word.
The problem is that the Republicans are unwilling to pick ANY hill to battle over. They CAVED, pure and simple. If they caved on this, it emboldens the Dems to hold on in the next battle.
I was looking forward to having 2011 being a long series of skirmishes. If not the defunding of Planned Parenthood, then the National Endowment for the Arts. Every two week period, pick SOMETHING and have the Dems have to either defend it, or offer up an alternative to cut. Make them bleed week to week, have it carry on week after week of the public seeing the Dems unwilling to cut ANYTHING.
Instead, they caved. The people who support this now, I do NOT want to hear any whining from when they cave AGAIN over the 2012 budget.
These little piddly billions of cuts is NOTHING, compared to what is possible with Ryan’s budget.
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I tend to agree. Billions is now chump change. Real cuts should be in trillions.
The next budget is the real battle. But there were some important philosophical points to be made here.
If we can’t cut NPR, just what exactly can we cut?
It was a small battle,...and we won!
The bigger battles are ahead.
Fine then uses Ryan’s budget as a base line and DON’T YOU DARE ever passing any cuts less then Ryan’s budget.
If the democrats insistent upon massive goverment drive them to turn down that offer then let them have no goverment with a shut down.
Its time to draw the line, “compromising” with criminals to steal only half your possession instead of most of them is no compromise. Government is suppose to rule with the consent of ALL the governed not just the will of the lawless majority of em.