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Who Won the Shutdown Showdown? It Wasn't Even Close
FoxNews.com ^ | April 09, 2011 | by Carl Cameron

Posted on 04/09/2011 6:26:52 AM PDT by topher

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281 posted on 04/10/2011 2:49:54 AM PDT by topher (Traditional values -- especially family values -- are the values that time has proven them to work)
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To: Gipper08

“39 billion in cuts when we have a 1.65 trillion deficit????????????”

Yes, and most of the 2011 money they were talking about was already spent. What I think went missing from this debate was how come no one said what this really was about?

In my opinion, they were negotiating how much of the unspent stimulus to give back. Notice how it wasn’t mentioned anywhere by anyone? They are all in this together.

That’s politics.


282 posted on 04/10/2011 3:49:49 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (The MSM is the greatest threat to America.)
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To: Defend Liberty
The only way to reduce federal spending is by eliminating all federal agencies not in compliance with any of the enumerated powers in Article 1 Section 8. Doing so will dramatically reduce the size of government along with the associated costs. Any budget proposal that does not address this issue is nothing more than smoke and mirrors!

Amen

283 posted on 04/10/2011 4:28:00 AM PDT by fewz (Socialism: Sharecropping for the government.)
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To: Starboard

Your observation is correct. No one was expecting him to act for the Senate or the Executive Branch. The point is, Tea Party coservatives and pubbies own the House. He could and should have done better.

When you look back on the shutdown charade it appears to me Boehner was determined to give the demrats the best deal he could short of being run out of town on a rail by conservatives.

Note to Boehner: You failed miserably. Go away. You just frittered away 4 months and America is no better for it.


284 posted on 04/10/2011 7:05:35 AM PDT by dools0007world
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To: topher

The key is whether this is the first right turn of a new fiscal ratchet that had been basically left turning for 50 years or so. Will there be another debt ceiling right turn next month, and then the 2012 budget, then the election...


285 posted on 04/10/2011 7:11:28 AM PDT by soxfan
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To: dools0007world

“Note to Boehner: You failed miserably. Go away. You just frittered away 4 months and America is no better for it.”


You hit on a very good point there: After months of continuing CRs the amount of the “deal” winds up being inconsequential. The great national spend-a-thon continues apace.

IMO the three budget issues needed to be dealt with on a cutting strategy that demanded a sequence of big, bigger and biggest spending reductions. Instead, thinking small predictably produced small results.


286 posted on 04/10/2011 9:23:27 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: Theodore R.
...don’t wont to rock the boat or to damage their personal financial situation....

No...the GOP is just plain weak when it comes to the news media...so afraid someone's going to call them bad names. I wouldn't put it past them to try to nominate some fool like Orin Hatch. Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

287 posted on 04/10/2011 7:56:27 PM PDT by Taggart_D
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To: Dead Corpse
I have run for office. I know what kind of a rigged game it is.

I too have run and won. I currently hold a seat and it is a rigged game, particularly against the challenger, but you can blame the voter for that as well.

My point is that running and ruling are two different things. In Cook County, IL, which seems to be the dark heart of 'liberalism', it is very difficult for a conservative to move an agenda forward. Yet, I've done it over a long time period and through compromise. I couldn't get all I wanted all at once. Is Illinois as I would like it to be? Not nearly at all, but it is much, much better.

Further, I know the difference between a cup of tea with a teaspoon of feces and a cup of feces with a teaspoon of tea.

I don't follow this analogy.

We want feces free tea and yet people like you tell us we must "compromise".

The nature of American government is compromise. Our country wouldn't exist without it. It is a foundational premise. See the 3/5ths Compromise as an example.

Eff you and the lame horse you rode in on.

Uncalled for and extremely immature. While I appreciate your commitment to better government, you must restrain your emotionalism if you want to discuss your views with me. We're on the same side and want the same things. Civil discussion is the mark of conservatism.

288 posted on 04/12/2011 5:04:28 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: 1010RD
Uncalled for ...

Do you think so? Because, you know... Your opinion means so much to me.

Or not.

Go compromise. Accept a little Evil in the spirit of "getting along" and "getting things done". Things you shouldn't be doing period, but what the heck... We gotta compromise, right?

People like you are EXACTLY how we ended up in this situation. "Half a loaf is better than no bread" only extends as far as things government SHOULD be doing. This is more long the lines of "intolerable acts"...

289 posted on 04/12/2011 5:26:55 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (explosive bolts, ten thousand volts at a million miles an hour)
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To: Dead Corpse

OK, lay out your agenda, just your top 3 goals for the current legislative session.

Then show me how you corral 60 votes in the Democratically controlled Senate to override an Obama veto?


290 posted on 04/12/2011 5:32:59 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: 1010RD

1. Cut the budget.
2. Reign in or defund any regualtory agency that has no basis in Art 1 Sec 8.
3. Cut taxes. Flat or FAIR Tax.

If none of the above are possible... Shut it all down. Until 2012 if necessary.

WE draw the line and let THEM compromise with US. It never works out well for us if we reverse that ever so simple calculus.


291 posted on 04/12/2011 5:40:37 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (explosive bolts, ten thousand volts at a million miles an hour)
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To: topher

Who lost the Shutdown Showdown?

Taxpayers.

It wasn’t even close.


292 posted on 04/12/2011 5:41:35 AM PDT by Colonel_Flagg ("It's hard to take the president seriously." - Jim DeMint)
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To: Dead Corpse

1. Cut the budget. (We did)
2. Reign in or defund any regualtory agency that has no basis in Art 1 Sec 8. (Not enough votes...yet)
3. Cut taxes. Flat or FAIR Tax. (Not enough votes...yet, but at least cutting is possible)

If none of the above are possible... Shut it all down. Until 2012 if necessary. (OK, so we cut the budget and that puts us in the right with your plan. Hold on and let us continue to work our magic and win future elections hopefully capturing the Senate and/or the Presidency)

(My point is we won and we will continue to win with your support!)


293 posted on 04/12/2011 7:30:46 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: 1010RD
1. No. You didn't. A reduction in the size of the increase is not a cut.

2. So don't fund the ones that don't pass muster. 3. So stop spending more than you take in with what you have.

You are making excuses for inaction. Nothing is possible if you don't have the will to stand firm on your principles.

294 posted on 04/12/2011 12:28:50 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (explosive bolts, ten thousand volts at a million miles an hour)
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To: 1010RD
1. No. You didn't. A reduction in the size of the increase is not a cut.

2. So don't fund the ones that don't pass muster.

3. So stop spending more than you take in with what you have.

You are making excuses for inaction. Nothing is possible if you don't have the will to stand firm on your principles.

295 posted on 04/12/2011 12:29:06 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (explosive bolts, ten thousand volts at a million miles an hour)
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