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Who Won the Shutdown Showdown? It Wasn't Even Close
FoxNews.com ^ | April 09, 2011 | by Carl Cameron

Posted on 04/09/2011 6:26:52 AM PDT by topher

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To: pburgh01

Well, I would not have shut it all down on this bill. I would shut it all down on the Debt Ceiling vote, and leave it shut down, until either we have a repeal of Obamacare, or a balanced budget. Otherwise, what’s the point? If they’re not going to do that, we might as well have Pelosi back in there, it’s the same thing.


41 posted on 04/09/2011 6:49:17 AM PDT by Big E
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To: topher
Bohner got the better end of the stick.

Now, the debate is about how much to cut rather than how much to spend. That is a victory in and of itself.

43 posted on 04/09/2011 6:51:11 AM PDT by VRW Conspirator (It's the end of the world as we know it. And I feel fine. - R.E.M.)
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To: Zakeet
We therefore have much more work to do ... both in the Senate and in some Pub primaries.

We did not get in this position overnight. This has been decades in the making and saying or even thinking a few elections will change things is a fools errand.

There are whole groups of voters who have been brainwashed in our educational system. Need an example? Look no further than the fool-hardy kids of Wisconsin.

Until we have our own blue-print beyond elections for taking back our country...we have much work to do.

Until we reestablish the idea that America is the land of opportunity and one is only hampered by one's own dreams...we have much work to do.

We have an idea where we want to go, but until conservatives commit to an articulated plan...we have much work to do.

We have to decide to not only control the elections, but also take back our culture. And that means we have a lot more work to do.

44 posted on 04/09/2011 6:52:41 AM PDT by EBH ( Whether you eat your bread or see it vanish into a looter's stomach, is an absolute.)
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To: pburgh01
I agree with every word you said. I think there are some really shallow thinkers on FR these days.

We can be glad they sit at computers rather than in positions of power, IMO.

45 posted on 04/09/2011 6:53:05 AM PDT by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: pburgh01
I agree with every word you said. I think there are some really shallow thinkers on FR these days.

We can be glad they sit at computers rather than in positions of power, IMO.

46 posted on 04/09/2011 6:53:10 AM PDT by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: topher
This is not about Boehner or a contest for which Washington power structure wins, it's about the American People and the Constitution.

Nobody WON. WE ALL LOST. THis is nothing more than a paper cut, when the operation should have started at the belt line instead. All of Obama’s new agencies, Czars, etc, all got their addictions taken care of quite handily.

47 posted on 04/09/2011 6:53:15 AM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (Patriotic by Proxy! (Cause I'm a nutcase and it's someone Else's' fault!....))
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To: All
We have to win back the Presidency and try to get as many seats possible in the Senate in 2012.

If any of you know how to get the votes to do that, fine, do it.

With the media control the way it blatantly supports our commie president and idiots like Harry Reid, we need to also focus on votes.

For me, prayer is part of my battle plan. It is my strong opinion that Satan sides with our current president and most of the Dimwits. I am sure that Satan is making room in his home for these folks...

Look at the evil done by certain leaders of the 20th century: Nazi Germany, Stalin/Lenin in the USSR, and Mao in China...

My point here is that there is a Fiscal battle at hand, there are Wars at hand (Middle East) and there is the dumbing down of our children in children in public schools.

We have no shortage of battles to win. I am considering Bohner to be a good guy against three evil leaders: Obama, Reid, and Pelosi...

48 posted on 04/09/2011 6:53:16 AM PDT by topher (Traditional values -- especially family values -- are the values that time has proven them to work)
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To: topher

How were they able to Federally fund abortions in DC when that is aganist the law. The Hyde Amendment apparently was a joke totally.


49 posted on 04/09/2011 6:54:10 AM PDT by therut
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To: topher
Bohner deserves credit for getting any reduction in the irresponsible spending in Washington. All the Democrats and many of the Republicans wanted to continue to increase spending, not control it even a little.

That being said, this deal is a major failure for the American people. Spending in Washington is out of control. Billions of dollars are being wasted and our great country is being driven into insolvency. This deal produced almost no savings whatsoever.

Since the Democrats took over in 1997(Bush was reduced to an ineffectual figurehead by then) they have been punching holes in the hull of the ship. Spending is at $4 trillion per year, annual deficits are between $1 and $2 trillion. This big debate was whether to remove the water with a teaspoon or a tablespoon.

All this talk of “cuts” is just propaganda to fool the ignorant voters. Most of the “cuts” are just tiny reductions in the rate of growth. Some are not even that, just accounting gimmickry.

Republicans are going to have to learn to be much stronger and much less afraid or our great country is doomed.

50 posted on 04/09/2011 6:55:56 AM PDT by detective
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To: sushiman
FOX News along with the Republicans have caved to Obama.
51 posted on 04/09/2011 6:55:56 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: sushiman

Remember it was the Senate, President and Vice-President on one side of the table and the lone Republican on the other. B. did well. The job to be done is ours to do!!

If conservatives want to get the package we want, then we must get to work and elect 60+ senators and hold the house.


52 posted on 04/09/2011 6:56:15 AM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-Qaeda" and its allies.)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
I will agree with that.

Then we need to win back the Presidency and get as many seats as possible in the Senate in 2012, and follow up with more in 2014.

Senator Johnny Isakson (R-GA) said yesterday on the Senate floor that we are digging a hole. He stated that we should recognize the hole we are in, and try to get out... It was one remark in a sea of hot air that made some sense.

Right now, Bohner is our only dog in the fight... He leads the House vs the Senate and Presidency...

Major League Hardball -- play it hard and tight...

Use the emotions of the last 24 hours to change things for the better.

American Sailor (Revolutionary War) on ship meaning Good Man Richard stated: We have just begun to fight

This was John Paul [Jones] when his ship was sinking when the British captain asked him to surrender. One account of that battle was that American ships were delibrately firing on his ship to get British ship as prize money... Or so Samuel Eliot Morrison reported in his history of that event...

53 posted on 04/09/2011 6:58:49 AM PDT by topher (Traditional values -- especially family values -- are the values that time has proven them to work)
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54 posted on 04/09/2011 6:59:19 AM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (Patriotic by Proxy! (Cause I'm a nutcase and it's someone Else's' fault!....))
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To: Redleg Duke

Spot on freeper!

You know the reason why Dems wins? THEY CHEAT AND DO WHATEVER IS NECC. TO WIN!

CONSERVATIVES PRAY! That’s it. I gag everytime freepers only statement is “pray for the nation”..well, I am FN tired of praying while we play by the rules. Go out there and do your share because I damn wont accept a 2nd term from this kenyan klown.

Now if anyone is saying that if you have a chance to stuff a ballot box if you have the chance? Well, let’s put this context: would you still say “pray for the nation” if you had the chance to stuff 3000 votes and Obama wins by 2000 votes?


55 posted on 04/09/2011 7:00:07 AM PDT by max americana ( NF)
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To: Redleg Duke

The government is past the point of repair. The only way they will get out of the Box is inflation and printing more free money. So good luck and hope you wake up some day.


56 posted on 04/09/2011 7:01:06 AM PDT by screaminsunshine (Obama Sucks)
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To: library user
Some perspective.

Here's some more perspective: The Medicare Part D Socialist boondoggle which, btw, both Ryan and Boehner voted for, is now $160 Billion in the hole and sinking deeper with every passing day.....

57 posted on 04/09/2011 7:01:29 AM PDT by Thermalseeker (The theft being perpetrated by Congress and the Fed makes Bernie Maddoff look like a pickpocket.)
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To: Vince Ferrer
2. Democrats got $2 billion in DoD cuts -- $513 million for the rest of the year. This is not one for the "loss" column. the DoD needs to be cut just like everything else.

I agree. A few weeks ago, I was dogpiled on FR for suggesting we should forgo the Army sponsoring NASCAR, until we should get our fiscal house in order. You wouldn't believe the vitriol.

Many of conservatives' sacred cows are just as unconstitutional as the Democrats. We better be cutting REAL DEBT, or our country will go up in flames.

58 posted on 04/09/2011 7:01:56 AM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Any politician who holds that the state accords rights is an oathbreaker and an "enemy... domestic.")
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To: liberateUS

They should have Tripled PP and eliminated EPA.


59 posted on 04/09/2011 7:02:07 AM PDT by screaminsunshine (Obama Sucks)
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To: Yet_Again

Are you implying that the Republicans “hold power”? When you have a conservative Senate and a conservative President then you can get somewhere. Until then, it is a struggle every day, week, month and year.


60 posted on 04/09/2011 7:03:00 AM PDT by Melchior
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