Michele Bachmann ready to 'move on' from birther issue (Accepts COLB)

Politico ^ | 04/20/2011 | MAGGIE HABERMAN

[Smokeyblue]

Michele Bachmann moved Wednesday toward saying the book on questions some voters have about President Barack Obama's birth certificate is closed, and that a copy of his certification of live birth should "settle" the issue.

Bachmann made the comments on ABC News' "Good Morning America," when host George Stephanopoulos noted she had said on Fox News a night earlier that the president ought to come forward with his birth certificate to settle the "birther" issue, which had largely died down in the mainstream media but picked up steam again when Donald Trump began pushing it.

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Stephanopoulos then showed her Obama’s certification of live birth, which Team Obama got from Hawaiian officials during the 2008 campaign. Skeptics have taken issue with that document, but it is the legal equivalent to a birth certificate in Hawaii.

"I have the president’s certificate right here," he said. "It’s certified, it’s got a certification number. It’s got the registrar of the state signed. It’s got a seal on it. And it says 'this copy serves as prima facie evidence of the fact of birth in any court proceeding.'"

Bachmann replied, "Well, then that should settle it."

"So it’s over?" the host asked.

"That’s what should settle it," she said. "I take the president at his word and I think — again I would have no problem and apparently the president wouldn’t either. Introduce that, we’re done. Move on."

[Hotlanta Mike]

Is that a thread killer? I hope not.

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It is for the troll...

[Hotlanta Mike]

The Great Birth Index Fiasco

http://butterdezillion.wordpress.com/2010/09/22/the-great-birth-index-fiasco/

Overview of Birth Certiciate Issue

http://butterdezillion.wordpress.com/2011/02/

Mike Evans: Hawaii Guv Neil Abercrombie told me NO Obama Birth Certificate in Hawaii - 1/20/11

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GD0U_jo2jQE

[WOSG]

Hospitals.

[philman_36]

Hospitals.
I can name of a couple of more places. Can you?

[Hotlanta Mike]

Ya Can’t Always Get What Ya Want

http://myveryownpointofview.wordpress.com/2010/07/27/ya-cant-always-get-what-ya-want/

[WOSG]

Epistemology.

[WOSG]

Actually we know that Stanley Ann Dunham and Barack H Obama Sr had initial relations outside of marriage, because Stanley Ann Dunham and Barack H Obama Sr were married on Feb 2, 1961 and Barack Hussein Obama II was born on Aug 4, 1961.

So the timeline is clear that Stanley Ann Dunham and Barack H Obama Sr got married when she was already pregnant with his child.

[WOSG]

There are state of Hawaii records that prove Stanley Ann Dunham and Barack H Obama were married in Feb, 1961.

You keep spinning hypothetical based on your preconceptions, but it pointless to say his Dad couldnt or wouldnt do something that we have records for happening.
You are entitled to your own opinions about the nature of that marriage, but not to your own facts.

And what’s more bizarre: All this so you quibble over the “Mr and Mrs Barack Obama” title for the parents in the newspaper birth announcement in Honolulu, as if it would be impossible for Barack’s parents to be called that in 1961. Hilarious. Check it out ... ALL the parents were labelled that way in the newspaper birth announcement - all of them the same ... how nice.

http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/obama-1961-birth-announcement-from-honolulu-advertiser0000.gif

[Tennessee Nana]

There are state of Hawaii records that prove Stanley Ann Dunham and Barack H Obama were married in Feb, 1961.
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Are you having Dreams of HI Records again ???

There are state of Hawaii laws that prove his butt would have been in jail...

[WOSG]

If can name them, dont bother asking the question.

Here’s one additional place: the rear end of piebald centaurs that live on the surface of Alpha Centauri.
You cannot PROVE it didnt happen that way, can you? So therefore it MUST be equally as plausible as it came from the hospital (the correct answer for 99.99% of the published birth announcements of that timeframe).

Its funny how that particular logical fallacy works. You can come up with a lot of cute fairy tales.

[philman_36]

To use your own words...Your act at pretending to be dumb and ignorant is way too convincing.

[Tennessee Nana]

I cannot educate the uneducable.
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Such an admission...

What happened to your mantra “Yes We Can” ???

Anyway I doubt if anyone here is wanting you to “educate” them..

On my part it appears that you dont know anything I need...

Im just wanting you to produce the long form birth certificate that you claim Barry Dunham has

Heck even a certificate of live birth would be nice

for starters...

No, that certificatION of live birth is a fraud...

I said CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH...

thats a different animal...

[WOSG]

Ah, grasshopper ... you have learned to walk on rice paper. I commend you.

Epistemology!

[Hotlanta Mike]

Coming soon to a theatre near you...

[philman_36]

Ah, grasshopper ... you have learned to walk on rice paper.
All I've learned is that you can't answer a question that doesn't fit into your little prefabricated scenario.
If you think that only hospitals provide information to the DoH then you are nothing more than a poseur.
You are not worth another minute of my time.

[WOSG]

So you KNOW the answer to the question?
But you dont answer it?
Why do you ask the question in the first place?!?

I don’t KNOW of any place other than hospitals for the DOH birth information that became birth announcements, at least in this case of Obama. If you KNOW differently, you can share the evidence.
Epistemology.

OTOH, if you keep asking questions you apparently know the answer to, then pretending ignorance of facts readily out there, then pretending idle speculation and guesswork equates to a factual conclusion, then its rather pointless on both sides.

at least we agree on one thing - the DOH yes, really does have records on file for Barack Obama’s birth, right?
I mean, that’s the only reason to dicuss where those records came from.

It’s not too hard to conclude the Barack Obama birth announcement was derived from DOH data that came from the hospital. But if birthers cant do epistemology 101, I think logic 101 would be a leap too far as well.

[philman_36]

Why do you ask the question in the first place?!?
To verify that you won't answer a question posed to you because the answer doesn't fit into your myopic world view.
Of course there are other ways than just hospitals that any DoH gets its information from. Midwives being the first and most common answer and you didn't even offer that up!
Truly pathetic.

...at least in this case of Obama.
Predictable. You stipulate your statement.

at least we agree on one thing - the DOH yes, really does have records on file for Barack Obama’s birth, right? I mean, that’s the only reason to dicuss where those records came from.
Oh, you are sly!
No, that's not the only reason to dicuss where those records came from. You'll probably claim you don't realize why either. (or you'll ask another lame, stipulated question in response)

It’s not too hard to conclude the Barack Obama birth announcement was derived from DOH data that came from the hospital.
I'm sure you desire others to believe that also.
And again you stipulate your statement.

But if birthers cant do epistemology 101, I think logic 101 would be a leap too far as well.
Oh, yeah, that's a winning strategy.

[philman_36]

The story, as I see it, breaks down like this...
He was born in a hospital in Hawaii and the birth announcements prove it (though we don't really know which of the two (two) he was born in due to conflicting statements) as only the DoH can send in info to the newspapers for birth announcements.
End of story.

The "chink" in the story.
If the DoH does get birth info from somewhere other than a hospital, it weakens the desired narrative of how the birth announcements were printed. One leg of the Obamarama is gone as it shows that someone could be born outside of a hospital and still have a birth announcement printed.
So there can, and obviously are, doubts as to just who provided the birth info to the DoH, "at least in this case of Obama", as you say?

[philman_36]

Shoot!
So there can be, and obviously are, doubts...

[WOSG]

“To verify that you won’t answer a question posed to you because the answer doesn’t fit into your myopic world view.”

I HAVE answered that question, both here and prior, it just doesn’t fit into your “myopic world view.”

You know, if you are just going to reject answers that arent 100% in line with your pre-determined answer - dont bother asking. Yu are wasting time. Just state your position and be done with it.

You know, you havent directly answered many of the questions I’ve asked you ...
- You cannot PROVE it didnt happen that way, can you?
- at least we agree on one thing - the DOH yes, really does have records on file for Barack Obama’s birth, right?
- Do you KNOW what the closet star to the sun is?

So you ask questions you have a predetermined answer for and wont answer questions asked ... as you would say ... Truly pathetic.

“Midwives being the first and most common answer”
Sure, but do you know Obama was born via a midwife? Do you have any evidence? No. His family says he was born in a hospital. It’s theoretically possible a telegram was sent from Iceland to get the DOH record and Obama was born on a submarine, but no evidence that is what happened here and to consider it a realistic scenario.

As I said: It’s not too hard to conclude the Barack Obama birth announcement was derived from DOH data that came from the hospital. You can speculate all day long, but have shown no evidence for a different conclusion.

Epistemology!