Posted on 04/22/2011 12:08:44 AM PDT by Niuhuru
Students face a £50,000 bill for a three-year degree from next year because of increased tuition fees and the rising cost of living.
Current undergraduates pay £31,373 at an elite Russell Group university, which will increase by 55 per cent to an average £48,503 in 2012.
The most expensive courses – because of costly university accommodation – are those in London.
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Another point...As a retired PEng, by law, I am held responsible for my designs 25years after the fact. I suppose I should be monitoring them in my retirement to protect myself, but I'm not. (he said....crossing his fingers). Fortunately, most electrical systems are replaced or modified long before that.
That says it all!
While there may be a modest cost to take the exam, with the Internet nearly all of the lectures and materiasl could be free. Those producing the lectures and content found on the Internet could actually do very well financially if they accepted advertising.
The exams could start in first grade. When a child masters a specific subject, he would take the private qualifying exam in that topic. If he passes he would move to the next level in that subject.
Any child of any age should be allowed to take a GED-type exam which would be more comprehensive. If he passes, he would be awarded an official high school diploma directly from his local government high school.
Even on the college level many of the courses could be offered on-line for tuition-free. Proof of mastery of the topic would be a qualifying exam. Even many of the courses found in the professions could be on-line.
Benefits:
** Bright and ambitious children could move into adulthood more quickly. They could start employment, a trade, or business sooner. They could marry, buy a home sooner, and start life debt free. This irrational extension of childhood into the late twenties and early thirties could be completely avoided. Also, young people could avoid much of the toxic and degrading college campus culture.
** A brisk private tutoring industry would emerge.
** Children and parents could learn self-sufficiency in learning. They would be far less dependent on the government schools.
** Far fewer government schools and teachers would be needed. This would be a tremendous boost to state budgets and the tax payer.
This is the way it is done - for no other reason than to know who is responsible when something goes wrong. Some one has to say “I’m responsible”.
What planet are you from? Everyone knows it will always be George Bush's fault.
Some might say that determining "responsibility" is a matter left up to the courts.
I still recommend engineers pursue the professional credentials, but I increasingly ask “why”?
From your earlier comments it looks like you already know why - you are for returning to the Medieval Ages where the Guilds controlled economic life. If you weren't a member of a particular Guild and pay tribute, no matter how brilliant or talented, Apprentice or maybe Journeyman would be your best title.
America now hates individual accomplishment and will do anything to stomp it out.
“you are for returning to the Medieval Ages where the Guilds controlled economic life.”
How do you figure? I am for setting reasonable steps to ensure that activities that can impact public health and safety is assured. I make no judgement on what those should be - but only that whatever they are - they be enforced consistently and that the process not be used as an impediment to the practice. Hardly medieval.
“America now hates individual accomplishment and will do anything to stomp it out.”
Ok, defend this statement in the context of this thread - and if you are an engineer - why haven’t you sought professional licensure? It is not particularly hard - but it is not particularly easy either.
You need the direct interaction with experts in your field on a daily basis. You need serious experience working in teams, discussion and study groups. You need experience in delivering a papers in front of peers. You need gobs of equipment, laboratories, test instrumentation, and materials that are so far above the average home it isn't even worth describing to you, because you obviously have no idea what it is to study in the professional fields.
Please note that I did not say, “ALL”. If you are implying that I said, “all”, then this is a strawman, and I can not defend an argument of your creation.
I have a doctorate in one of the most competitive health professions. A significant portion of the first 2 years could be on-line and free if accompanied with rigorous qualifying exams. You are correct, though, about the laboratories.
We’ve already had this debate. I guess you forgot...
I have degreed engineers that work for me. I have highly technical patents in my name.
I was employed 20 some odd years ago as a senior design engineer at a large at the time well known Sunnyvale communications equipment company. I was given numerous stock options to try to keep me to stay... Hmm, I guess they didn’t know what an “engineer” is... Later I becoming a consultant where I did satellite modem design (all of it) for several companies. It became clear that the real money to be made was in manufacturing and selling your own products, so I did.
None of my associates, customers or employees have any doubts about what I am and what I do. They’d laugh at you.
Too bad you are so narrow minded. That doesn’t bode well for job that requires creativity to be really good at.
ARe these prices for private or public universities? My daughter will be applying to study in Germany... tuition isn’t really a cost, unless you think 600 euros per semester is steep lol. We figured living costs will end up being the price we’d pay for her to attend an instate University here in the states... of course she’s had to work her butt off, to accumulate enough AP classes and exams that will put her on par with having a Bac or Abitur.
If you want to be a medical doctor or a civil engineer, you are required to have a degree in your field. There are no two ways about it. There are others jobs as well, but my short list makes the point.
What is “required” in most other technical fields is what it takes to get through the front door and demonstrate your abilities to get a job. Your employer will determine what you do, what title they want to give it and what liability they want to take with it.
The bottom line is engineering is about doing. The results speak for themselves. Either the results meet design goals, are cost effective, reliable and are completed in a timely cost affective manner or they are not.
You are fraud if you call yourself an engineer. You are probably very good at what you do but you are not an engineer. You are an inventor and a technician but not an engineer. I can tell you are jealous of those with formal education. My brother, who didn’t go to college is the same way.
No. Not at all actually.
So was Abraham Lincoln also a fraud in your book? Or George Washington? Were these men also jealous of those with a “formal education”?
And whatever does “formal education” mean?
Stop projecting.
I’m not jealous in the slightest. If I wanted to spend my time going to college then I would. There’s little upside for me to do so. What exactly would gain from that other than the lost time of being productive at what I already do?
You just can’t wrap your brain around someone being a very successful engineer without first passing through the gates of higher education.
Institutions of higher education are not the gate keepers of knowledge nor are they the arbiters of critical thinking.
Funny how you blame others as being the “same way” I am without ever looking into the mirror first. Perhaps it isn’t everybody else with the attitude issues... And in truth you know essentially nothing about me, but call me a fraud... All the labeling and hostility is coming from you and you don’t even really know the facts at hand. Again that doesn’t bode well for your engineering skills. Lots of judgement, little actual information.
Cowards! Cowards and wastrels. Willing to excuse and even celebrate the wasting of the next generation under the debasing and demoralizing Higher Education establishment of this era.
Men and women teach yourself!
And even that should not be so. The "degree" that is. Look up the surgeon who developed the heterotopic or "piggyback" heart transplantation technique: Hamilton Naki.
There is a process to become a certified licensed engineer. I cannot call my self a physician no matter how many medical school books I read. Lincoln was a butcher not a president.
Good. You may have a higher IQ than me, you may be wealthier than me. You probably know more about your field than a PhD. But I can call myself a Professional Engineer (PE) and not be a fraud, you cannot. Nothing can change that. Agree?
Check you own "jealousy"!
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