Posted on 04/24/2011 7:08:07 PM PDT by MuttTheHoople
Restrooms in fast-food places are generally single-occupancy, as this apparently was since the victim had to buy something in order to get the key to use the restroom. They also are often unisex, particularly when it's a small place with only one customer restroom.
Single occupancy are a good solution, IMO. However when they are not available, it is not reasonable to expect people to just go along with having men, whether they are taking hormones or not, in the ladies’ room.
It’s a oonundrum for sure. My husband was with our girls shopping and couldn’t go into the fitting room...sorta like the restroom problem.
As a woman, I’ve seen boys (8 and above) in the womens’ restroom with their moms. Doesn’t really matter if I like it or not, it’s a public restroom.
Of course MEN SHOULD NOT BE IN A WOMENS RESTROOM (did I do the craps correctly?). This incident isn’t about a MAN in a WOMENS’ RESTROOM...get that yet? It’s about two human beings beating another human being when the victim/perpetrator is already down and no threat to them. And it’s in the news somewhat only because the “victim” is a M2F transgendered person, a protected “victim” class. If it were just a white girl being assaulted by two black girls, it would have been nothing. Now, if it were a black girl as the “victim” and the two white girls as the thugs, that would have garnered lots of MSM time.
Maybe there was time when kids could go into restrooms or fitting rooms by themselves. I honestly don’t know if that time ever existed but what I do know is we are far more cautious today, or the last 20 yrs I’ve been raising my kids, and establishments are far more cautious due to lawsuits.
And, I agree. MEN shouldn’t be in womens’ restrooms and WOMEN shouldn’t be in mens’ restrooms. But, we all know both happens. And has happened for at least the last 30 years when I took notice. When I was growing up, went into public restrooms all the time alone. Fortunately, nothing happened.
I don’t have the answers but I sure wish we could have honest discussions about all of this. Without all the PC BS.
And this case wasn’t a MAN in a WOMENS’ restroom, with innocent little kids being exposed to anything.
This was two black girls, thugs, beating on a white chick/girl/freak, and beating this other human being even after she/he was already down. Neither were in any danger, bathroom or not, from this other person. Doesn’t really matter if the victim was a freak or not. No honorable person would keep fighting a person already down.
“. This incident isn’t about a MAN in a WOMENS’ RESTROOM...get that yet?”
I have acknowledged that in previous posts. I have just brought up that his presence in the women’s restroom, according to some, started the whole thing. I have also said I do not support the beating.
So your anger towards me is unwarranted.
LOL! I don’t have anger towards you. Maybe I should say, stop projecting? See how that works?
I thought we were having a discussion.
And, as I stated, as far as I know, this incident didn’t happen IN the restroom. It happened oustside the restroom, in the restaurant. Possibly because some so called “dissing” went on between all three involved. But, there was no man in a womens’ restroom so that angle is done. There was no male pervert in a womens’ restroom trying to molest little girls.
No, that is inaccurate. Transsexual means someone that has had SRS. Transgender just means someone that FEELS like the gender they got assigned at birth doesn’t fits with his/her/their body. They may or may not proceed with a medical intervention.
I thought we were having a discussion, too. I think that your ““. This incident isn’t about a MAN in a WOMENS’ RESTROOM...get that yet?” comes across as angry. I don’t think I’m projecting.
My understanding is that this man was in the women’s room, but came out, and it was unclear as to whether it was a factor in the assault.
I also know he was accused of looking at the “man” of the assaulting party, as in, leering or acting as though he was an object of sexual interest.
I don’t know for sure of course, I was not there. I am just reacting to what is being reported. I do have a problem with men, regardless of whether they have mutilated themselves or intend to mutilate themselves or are wearing high heels, entering a women’s bathroom. As the perversion of our society continues, this is going to become a larger and larger problem, in my opinion. Also a good cover for sex offenders.
Some view “transsexual” as a subcategory of “transgendered”, and it is my understanding that the man in question had had SRS.
Then we have have had a misunderstanding. Whatever, it’s neither here nor there.
My point is that it doesn’t really matter if this person was in a bathroom or how it could factor into the assault. The person was down. No threat to anyone, regardless of the circumstances, and these two teens, continued to beat the hell out of their victim. I’m way more concerned about that than some psuedo scenario of the whys and hows it happened.
A human being was in a smackdown, even after she/he didn’t defend her/himself, still got pummeled/kicked in the head, dragged across the floor, etc. The “offender” was down. Down. No threat, yet these two teens, TEENS, continued to assault this person. Like the animals they are.
And this ain’t anything new. We just put a different name on it. It’s diversity, or multiculturism, or whatever rather than it being the barbaric mentality, so prevalent in our ghettos today. Highlighted in the 60’s, and by the 80’s something youth imitated.
BTW, you started it. I don’t play those games. Or rather, I don’t initiate those games but I can play if you want, or I’m bored enough to engage. So drop the facade. Or don’t bother replying.
I do know what was going on 40 yrs ago and such, in the city. Saw the changes somewhat (that were occuring for at least a couple decades prior to that) and glad I got out and was able to raise my kids out of that ghetto atmosphere.
“BTW, you started it. I don’t play those games. Or rather, I don’t initiate those games but I can play if you want, or I’m bored enough to engage. So drop the facade. Or don’t bother replying.”
I don’t know what you are talking about. But fine, we don’t have to dialogue if you don’t want to.
I have long posited that the death penalty should be on the table for any offense in which the victim would have been justified in using deadly force. In such cases, it is the criminal who has subordinated the value of their life to the fruits of their crime.
It’s really sad. A part of me is so discouraged by this but another part is just, What the hell ever.
If this were just an ordinary white girl being beat by two black girls, it would be ignored by the MSM and most others. It happens all the time, and has for decades. At least where I grew up. I grew up in the city. Very aware of race issues. And race trumps. Especially if black. I know that may seem racist to some but it’s reality to many of us. Two white girls beating on a black girl would have been national news. It’s the way we roll today. Two black girls beatig a white girl, buried, til that white “girl” is another protected class.
And far too many want to ignore the real issue and focus on some bogus issue of a male (?) being in or close to a female bathroom.
LOL good. Proved my point.
As for "a serious mental disorder that mainstream psychology is not allowed to treat for political reasons" - there is no psychological treatment. All which have been tried have ended disastrously. body modification is far from an ideal solution but it's the best that's available at the moment.
In the mean time, no one on FR who's gone to great lengths to criticize these so called "deviants" has yet explained what is so bad and dangerous about them. No cases have been cited where they've harmed another person, no case has been cited of a child being traumatized and permanently scared by their existence, nothing.
Truth is, ttranssexuals make people uncomfortable. Full stop. ,p> that, however, is too damned bad. LOTS of people make those around them uncomfortable. such is life. Examples could be provided but I think the cases are obvious.
When was the last time you did something which required a Y chromosome to accomplish?
The simple fact of life is chromosomal makeup has exactly ZERO to do with the everyday course of living and interacting with other human beings. I promise you there are THOUSANDS of transsexual women out there that you would NOT distinguish from a natal female short of an extensive and invasive gynecological exam, or a DNA test.
There is nothing that happens on a day to day basis that these women are helped or hindered at because of their chromosomes.
Admittedly, those on the journey from one to the other are in a difficult situation for everyone. But once it's done, there is no negative impact on your life or society in general in any way - they are simply "just another woman"
The internal chemistry is a difference which has no real-world consequence. As I have said to others, so I say to you: cite me an example.
Show me a case in which a transsexual harmed or traumatized another human being in ANY way because of their condition - even a child. Show me where one has caused any quantifiable downside in any way other than that which arises from the prejudice of others (i.e. hire a transsexual, customers who are prejudiced go elsewhere - that's the flaw of the customers, not the employee).
Am I saying a kid might never be a bit perturbed by the site of a "man in a skirt" to use the cliche? of course not - I'm only saying they would be no MORE so that by a man exposed butt crack, a woman's too short skirt or overstuffed bicycle pants, or an inappropriate PDA. That's life, not "scarred for life"
Simply put, yall are trying to enforce what makes you comfortable as a set of rules for others. Arrogantly condemning those who are different as "perverts" is just the world's oldest and easiest way to try to elevate yourself over your fellow human being. it shows no more class than racism or antisemitism or any other similar bigotry.
you’ve never heard of a transsexual molesting a woman or girl in the ladies room either but that’s not changing your mind on that one.
I think I'll copy and save this explanation because i know this is the third or fourth time I've explained it since Saturday:
Transgender is an umbrella term for ALL the various categories of "gender variant" people it includes androgynous people, drag queens, crossdressers/transvestites, transsexuals, and so-called "genderqueers" (people who refuse to acknowledge the gender binary at all)
Transsexuals are the ONLY sub-group of transgender who wish to physically modify their body to align with their mind/spirit.
One can be post-op, pre-op but on HRT, or neither - even still in the closet - and be transsexual.
this is in contrast to recreational or fetishistic crossdressers (transvestites) and drag queens who do NOTNOTNOT wish to actually change their bodies (albeit, some transsexuals work as drag queens as the only financial option to survive and pay for their therapy and surgery and such).
But if you don't want to change your body to match your mind, you may be transgender but you are NOT transsexual.
The distinction is important because if one is a recreational crossdresser who doesn't actually want or need to BE a female, then it's perfectly legitimate to ask him to submit his hobby to society's customs (re bathrooms, or professional dress, or whatever) - on the other hand if this person is a transsexual, their course of treatment REQUIRES them to live 24/7 in the target gender in order to be approved for further treatment. If they want any simbelence of a relatively happy existence they MUST follow this path.
Albeit I'm sure many freepers would be just fine with it if they ate a bullet rather than disturbing any "normal" people in the course of their day.
Too many confuse the game-playing of the crossdresser with the life-and-death struggle of the transsexual.
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