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To: phi11yguy19

“For that analogy to work, you’d have to equate illegal drug trafficking with what was at the time legal slavery or legal secession. I don’t see the similarity”

How about rebellion, which is the literally what EP offers as justification. Is that illegal enough for you? Oh, wait, I forgot, the feds were the ones acting illegally, since they started it, despite the South shooting first. [ahem!]


948 posted on 05/03/2011 3:06:41 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: Tublecane; phi11yguy19
How about rebellion, which is the literally what EP offers as justification. Is that illegal enough for you?

"Illegal?" Actually, I can't seem to locate a single clause in the antebellum Constitution that prohibited State secession (quite the opposite in fact). But feel free to quote the article, section and clause to which you are referring...

;>)

Oh, wait, I forgot, the feds were the ones acting illegally, since they started it, despite the South shooting first. [ahem!]

"Oh, boy. You’re not that obtuse, are you?" Are you not aware that who shoots first does not necessarily determine the legality of an action? Theoretically speaking, under certain circumstances, if federal law enforcement officers entered my home without proper legal authorization, I would not be at fault if I opened fire. (Not that I would ever do that - I wouldn't want to be killed instantly, even if my actions were justified posthumously by a federal court! ;>)

950 posted on 05/03/2011 3:27:23 PM PDT by Who is John Galt? ("Sometimes I have to break the law in order to meet my management objectives." - Bill Calkins, BLM)
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To: Tublecane
See post 945.

Rebellion (here or here) is a term used for citizens (or groups of citizens) who take up arms against their respective government. It has no applicability to the actions of political entities (republican States seceding from a federation). [ahem!]

Lincoln used the term because he needed the "legal" justification to invoke his military powers upon States...I mean "groups of citizens", of course. Thus he referred to the "rebellions within the states" of SC, FL, et al. even though there was nothing "within" about it - the States merely exercised their political right to leave the voided contract.
951 posted on 05/03/2011 3:39:22 PM PDT by phi11yguy19
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