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Man arrested for reading Bible in public! Freedom of speech violation (DMV Hemet, CA)
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Posted on 04/28/2011 9:35:21 AM PDT by WalterSkinner

Video of a member of Hemet Calvary Chapel being arrested for reading the Bible to people standing in line at the local DMV office by a CHP officer.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: constitution; freedom; relgion
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To: WalterSkinner

Another story said he was inside. That article also said the police asked him to stop reading and he refused.
I know that office, it is never very busy, if there was a line he was reading to he would have had to be inside.


21 posted on 04/28/2011 9:50:09 AM PDT by svcw (Non forgiveness is like holding a hot coal thinking the other person will be blistered)
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To: TexasCajun

Then ignore him - don’t silence him. This nation is in a downward spiral and I don’t see much hope for the future if our religious liberties continue to be trampled on. Do you think if it had been a muslim reading for the koran he would have been arrested?


22 posted on 04/28/2011 9:51:25 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: pogo101
Frankly, I wouldn’t really want to be proselytized to when I’m in a location that I’m stuck at: a bus or subway, in a queue at the DMV, etc.

I feel the same way. The guy wasn't arrested for reading the Bible; he was arrested for being a nuisance.

23 posted on 04/28/2011 9:51:42 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: svcw

Did you watch the video? He was in the parking lot.


24 posted on 04/28/2011 9:52:15 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: svcw
"He was not in public he was inside the building."

Where exactly did you get that information? You must have seen a different video from the one referenced:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FruQO8qaw9c&feature=share

25 posted on 04/28/2011 9:52:20 AM PDT by matthew fuller (I hereby nominate Donald Trump for the Nobel Peace Prize!)
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To: svcw
it is never very busy

..that is simply not true

The line to get in wraps around the building and all the chairs inside are full. This video showed he was outside.

26 posted on 04/28/2011 9:52:25 AM PDT by WalterSkinner ( In Memory of My Father--WWII Vet and Patriot 1926-2007)
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To: thefactor

How was he harrassing anybody? He was simply reading from the Bible. You really think he would have been arrested for reading the phone book? LOL


27 posted on 04/28/2011 9:53:37 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: svcw

You really should watch the video before commenting, because he was outside the entire time. They were standing outside the DMV waiting for it to open. That said, I don’t think it’s productive to try and proselytize in such circumstances. I’d do the same thing if the Lord directed me to do so, but I’d want to make sure it was His will first. It just seems to me this sort of proselytizing is actually counter productive. You can hear other people in the line laughing about the whole thing. Finally, would we appreciate it if Satanists, Muslims, and other non-Christian folk wanted to do the same thing? Being uncivil is not a good witness. Doesn’t scripture tell us to be all things to all people, to obey the law to the extent it doesn’t contradict the Lord’s will?


28 posted on 04/28/2011 9:53:45 AM PDT by CitizenUSA (Coming soon...DADT for Christians!)
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To: svcw

Did you watch the video?


29 posted on 04/28/2011 9:54:57 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

If he had been singing, would he have been arrested? I find people who sing in public annoying. What if he was praying facing mecca on a prayer rug in the parking lot? Would he have been arrested?


30 posted on 04/28/2011 9:56:52 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: WalterSkinner
..this wasn't some Westboro psycho, this was simply a Christian man reading the Bible--those who would be offended have a much deeper problem. If you know anything about Calvary Chapel, they are very conservative and Biblically sound.

If the Bible is an offense--- any time --that indicates a problem with the hearer not the speaker IMHO--especially when it is done respectfully and calmly...

31 posted on 04/28/2011 9:58:21 AM PDT by WalterSkinner ( In Memory of My Father--WWII Vet and Patriot 1926-2007)
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To: ilovesarah2012

“Who decides if it’s a public nuisance? I didn’t find it to be a nuisance at all. He was simply reading the Bible.”

The legislatures decide. Just because you enjoyed it, doesn’t mean it’s not a public nuisance under the law. We can’t decide not to apply the law to Christians, and then expect it to be applied to others, like Muslims for example. Conversely, just because someone doesn’t apply the laws to Muslims when they should, doesn’t mean we can expect an exemption for Christians.


32 posted on 04/28/2011 10:00:28 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: ilovesarah2012

Look, I can’t watch the video right now but people are not arrested for reading the bible. They are arrested for harassing people. I’ll comment more when I can actually watch.


33 posted on 04/28/2011 10:02:18 AM PDT by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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To: Boogieman

Freedom of religion is a protected right. He was not harming anyone. He was not in anyone’s face. He was in the parking lot of a government office. He had every right to be there. Thankfully a lawsuit will teach CA about our freedoms.


34 posted on 04/28/2011 10:05:44 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: eastforker

How can being a captive audience on public property make the first amendment be overruled. The recent SC decision in the case of the Westboro Church protests at a funeral went in the favor of the Westboro Church. I think those attending a funeral are more of a captive audience than those standing in line at the DMV. You may not like what is being said but the government cannot arrest the person doing the saying, just because of your dislikes, otherwise free speech is very costly. This free speech violation is going to be very costly: to the cash strapped State of California.


35 posted on 04/28/2011 10:09:11 AM PDT by RG3
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To: WalterSkinner

There is a MAJOR difference between personal reading of the Bible to yourself and preaching to people at the DMV.


36 posted on 04/28/2011 10:09:27 AM PDT by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: ilovesarah2012

“He was simply reading the Bible.”

So what if it was the Bible, the Koran, the phone book or a novel. You fail civics if you think you have the right to disturb other people just because you think your religion is what I should be hearing. I have the right not to hear about your views.


37 posted on 04/28/2011 10:11:41 AM PDT by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: thefactor

They weren’t inside - they were in the parking lot - not even close to people and reading from the Bible. How is that harrassing people?


38 posted on 04/28/2011 10:12:04 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: eastforker

Wow, who is holding all those people in line hostage? You’d think such kidnapping would be of greater concern to captives than a little reading and speaking in public.

In truth, the 1st Amendment forbids Congress (and because of the 14th Amendment, also the States) from passing any laws that abridge the freedom of speech, or of religion and the free exercise of religion, among other things.

Therefore, it’s the law that is in error, not the pastors. Your preference to be free of such speech is irrelevant to this issue.

Surely you’re not suggesting that it is good to allow the government to empower itself to do that which it is forbidden to do by the Constitution, are you?


39 posted on 04/28/2011 10:12:09 AM PDT by savedbygrace (But God.)
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To: CodeToad

Why are your rights greater than mine?


40 posted on 04/28/2011 10:13:04 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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