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To: Kansas58
“McCain was a citizen at birth and therefor a Natural Born Citizen.”

You are just plain WRONG on this matter of “citizen at birth”. It means just what it says. You are a “citizen” (not a natural born citizen, or it would say that) because of the circumstances of your birth as opposed to being a citizen because of some law or court. This is what that means. It has NOTHING to do with “natural born citizen”.

I understand that many people THINK that citizen at or by birth could mean “natural born citizen”. That is only because they know nothing about the history of citizenship and the concerns of John Jay and George Washington at the time of the founding. Also because of Vattel Law of Nations, that everyone understood what “natural born citizen” meant. No need to define it they thought, since everyone knows what it is.

It stands out. It stands alone. It is a specific phrase for a specific purpose that citizen at birth may not, by itself, guarantee. You can't see it's unique importance? It is only used once. It is NOT used in the 14th amendment where citizenship issues are determined for everyone else.
“Natural Born Citizen” SCREAMS from that page by it's absence. While there are a few that disagree and ultimately it will be decided by SCOTUS, but to anyone seriously studying this, there is no question of the founders intent in this matter.
We will have to agree to disagree, but I will continue to refute your posts as I can't have you misinforming with impunity, others on this forum.

217 posted on 05/01/2011 12:08:10 AM PDT by faucetman (Just the facts ma'am, just the facts)
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To: faucetman

A court has ruled against you.

See 214 above, by “Blade”


218 posted on 05/01/2011 12:11:00 AM PDT by Kansas58
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