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To: bvw
I am of the opinion that the 14th Amendment did alter the definition of Citizenship.

I also believe that Congress can enact laws as to who is and who is not a citizen.

Regardless of what anyone wrote, years ago, the current legal climate seems to hold that “Natural Born Citizen” means Citizen at birth.

There are as many quotes and writings, from our founders, that agree with me, as you can find that agree with you.

I don't particularly like it.

I do believe that Obama is our first Anti-American President.

However, the ends do not justify the means, and I do not think we will get anywhere trying to remove Obama due to his father's loyalties.

279 posted on 05/01/2011 9:59:10 AM PDT by Kansas58
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To: Kansas58
I am of the opinion that the 14th Amendment did alter the definition of Citizenship.

Bingham did not seem to hold that.

Then too ...

There are many forces, lines of the intellectual reasoning of proud men and women, that have diluted and altered the original meaning and intents the Founders had in carefully crafting our US Constitution. In nearly every case, even perhaps in every case, the change has been harmful.

That the changes, the second-guessing, has been even harmful is a measure of the Providential Insight that our Creator granted Our Founders when this nation arose upon the stage of human history.

Take for one example: a cup of coffee. Coffee was the drink of the Patriot in the times of the original Tea Party. A famous song from the 1930's has the tag line "Brother can you spare a dime [for a cup of coffee]".

A good cup of coffee in 1930 cost one dime. It still does -- a good cup of STARBUCKS coffee costs one dime or less. Of course, I don't mean a 2011 dime, but the silver value of a 1932 dime will buy you today a 12 ounce cup of the most expensive Starbucks drink. I checked this at my local Starbucks: $3.55 for a 12 oz Caramel Macchiato.

The value of a 1932 Dime in silver melt as of 29 April 2011 is $3.47. Okay, eight cents plus a few more cents sales tax short, but close enough.

The Money Clause of the US Constitution, Article 1, Section 8, fifth clause, grants Congress the authority "To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;" Note the whole clause is includes "fix the Standard of Weights and Measures". The Constitution gives no direct authority for any kind of money excepting coin of standard weight and measure.

It is a dilution that we have permitted paper money, especially today's currency money, which for the most part is not even paper anymore, it is merely ledger entries! The Founders may have allowed a redeemable note convertible to coin, or fixed weight of precious metal, but certainly they were leery of paper money due to the utter failure of the paper money called Continentals, during the Revolutionary War period.

Thus today we are beyond "dilution" of our money, we have moved into change territory. The original intent and meaning of the money clause has been perverted, the authority to demand that official currency be wholly fiat at complete odds to what the Founders intended.

Although the Constitution allows the Congress the ability to set the value of coinage, the Constitution refers to a specific denomination of money: a dollar. The Founders intended that the average or representative silver value of the coin then known as a dollar be used for all time.

The Constitution uses the term "dollar" in two places. Article 1, Section 9, limits the authorities of Congress and the first clause in that section limits a head tax on imported slaves to a maximum of "ten dollars". The 7th Amendment provides the right to a Jury Trail for all claims over "twenty dollars".

The dollar of that era was a standard weight measure of pure silver, defined by Spanish Law as consisting of 387 grains of pure silver. That's 0.885 ounces. In common use as coinage the Spanish dollar was divided into "pieces of eight," or "bits," each consisting of one-eighth of the dollar weight.

Thus by the "ten dollars" the Founders meant the value of 8.85 ounces of pure silver. As of 29 April 2011 that is $479 in current US (fiat) dollars. Thus a Jury Trial is a right where the disputed amount exceeds just a bit less than a thousand dollars.

That amount, $1000 in current dollars, still seems reasonable and that it does so is a testament to the Founder's wisdom in crafting the Constitution as well as to their understanding of the constants of human nature.

Yet today can I demand a trial for a disputed amount of $1000? No, at least not in all places. That's sad. It's another perversion of Original Intent.

The Founder's intended that all states joining the Union abide the especial protections provided individual rights in the Bill of Rights. However our moderns have changed that. A 1999 US Supreme Court ruling voided that protection of individual rights. That's bad, that's tyrannical, in the true sense of that word.

Your understanding of the meaning of "natural born citizen" today springs from the same tyrannical theory of law. Tyrants and their theories of law are ever changing, ever making alterations.

And ever getting it wrong. Ever making it worse. Ever tending to destruction, chaos and death.

By adding to such destructive forces, the way of the world is that it temporarily adds to their power and might over others.

288 posted on 05/01/2011 11:52:26 AM PDT by bvw
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