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SWAT raid fatal drama is revealed in 911 call
Arizona Daily Star ^ | 5/14/2011 | Fernanda Echavarri

Posted on 05/14/2011 7:04:25 AM PDT by petitfour

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To: ChildOfThe60s

We are demanding police level restraint of soldiers in kill or be killed wars, and then jail them for being soldiers. We are allowing police to become soldiers, with authority to shoot first and ask questions later, to the detriment of society and the pile of innocent bodies they leave behind.


101 posted on 05/14/2011 5:02:43 PM PDT by tbw2
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To: Travis McGee

No one goes to jail. If a private citizen did this they would be executed.


102 posted on 05/14/2011 5:03:08 PM PDT by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: rawhide

You’re breaking my heart, too...

Poor lady.


103 posted on 05/14/2011 5:10:21 PM PDT by Politicalmom (Herman Cain did NOT support TARP, and he did NOT say the Federal Reserve should not be audited.)
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To: driftdiver

I am upset not with all cops...I know some and they are great and I wouldn’t want their job.

HOWEVER.....THESE DRUG SWAT TEAMS HAVE GOT TO GO!!

this dammmmmm WOD has got to go!

I am just heartbroken about this story...it just enrages me and turns my stomach! these SWAT drug vigalentes have got to be stopped.And Bill Bennet will go on and on about how great the WAR on Drugs is and “Oh, well, that’s the price we pay.”
And for what???More money for the huge money making WOD??

Why are we putting up with this?


104 posted on 05/14/2011 5:12:29 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (where is the Great Santini when we need him??)
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To: CodeToad

The govt just calls them “mistakes.”

“Oops, your husband is dead. My bad. Later!”


105 posted on 05/14/2011 5:14:39 PM PDT by Travis McGee (Castigo Cay is on Kindle)
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To: driftdiver
This has been posted a few times already but each time there is new information, thank you. The cops on FR will show up and defend the actions of this swat team. They have said he deserved what he got.

Not true. There are a couple who have blindly supported the action, however there are more who have stated that this was wrong and foresaw this happening as a result of the militarization of the police. Blanket statements will alienate people and police who are patriots.
106 posted on 05/14/2011 5:15:40 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Time to beat the swords of government tyranny into the plowshares of freedom.)
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To: FoxPro

When the victim is dead, any story will do.


107 posted on 05/14/2011 5:16:30 PM PDT by Travis McGee (Castigo Cay is on Kindle)
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To: VeniVidiVici
Pima County Sheriff Dupnik had no problem in leaving Gerald Loughner alone long enough to shoot Gabrielle Giffords. Wonder what he considered important enough to go in with SWAT here?

I think you are the first to point this out. Worth repeating over and over. The rot is at the top.
108 posted on 05/14/2011 5:29:14 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Time to beat the swords of government tyranny into the plowshares of freedom.)
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To: PA Engineer

There are quite a few who have supported the actions in this case. It happens every time.

When cops start condemning actions such as this then I’ll listen to talk of patriots.


109 posted on 05/14/2011 5:32:27 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: SgtHooper
But please don’t paint all cops with such a broad brush.

You're right ... it's the rotten 99% that give the rest a bad name.

Considering your "tag line", you're one of the 99%.

110 posted on 05/14/2011 5:51:42 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Grunthor
Do we have to start banding together in citizen militias’ to protect our families and ourselves against these murderers with badges or is that kind of self defense talk considered over the top?

I think the name, address and photograph of each swat member should be widely posted on the internet.

111 posted on 05/14/2011 5:52:57 PM PDT by zeugma (The only thing in the social security trust fund is your children and grandchildren's sweat.)
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To: rawhide; Travis McGee; Squantos; B4Ranch
My question is why didn’t they just surround the house, get on a loudspeaker, and demand the occupants to come out with their hands on their heads, firing teargas as a last resort

Not even. Why didn't they do their homework and apprehend him as he drove into his driveway after his coal mine shift? Shades of Ruby Ridge and Waco. WTF, over.

112 posted on 05/14/2011 5:55:22 PM PDT by glock rocks (Wait, what?)
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To: Finny
...veteran was gunned down by LEO in front of a Costco?

I believe that was in Las Vegas.

113 posted on 05/14/2011 5:55:27 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: zeugma

One wonders how THEY would react to “no-knock, no-announce” raids.


114 posted on 05/14/2011 6:00:32 PM PDT by Grunthor (RIDE THE CAIN TRAIN!)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie
Are you speaking of William J. Bennett, the lying, gambling-addicted scumbag who was the main pusher of the War on Drugs?

History will scorn that man.

115 posted on 05/14/2011 6:02:28 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: Ken H

Yup...I listen to his radio show am on way to work cause he has some good guests..but he is getting so self serving its hard to listen to him.

I didn’t know he had a gambling problem and was the main pusher of the WOD. Yeesh.
I wonder how HE would have liked SWAT to come to HIS house on a gambling raid.


116 posted on 05/14/2011 6:30:53 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (where is the Great Santini when we need him??)
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To: Politicalmom

I feel along with you! You can just see the brokenness of her heart in her eyes and face. It will be a long time before she even begins to heal over this. And her kids, especially the one child that was at home, will always have nightmares over this.

I hope she receives tens of millions of dollars because of this. I for one, if on the jury, would award such a settlement, in fact I would demand it!

Her husband seemed to be one fine outstanding young man, husband, and father. A real contributor to our society!

God comfort this dear soul and her children. I cry for her in my heart.


117 posted on 05/14/2011 6:47:32 PM PDT by rawhide
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To: DuncanWaring
I believe that was in Las Vegas.

*Doh!*

Las Vegas, Phoenix, same dif! ;^)

(Thanks ... I needed that!)

118 posted on 05/14/2011 6:48:54 PM PDT by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent)
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To: Gandalf_The_Gray

Exactly what happened in Atlanta a few short years ago, where the Swat team murdered a precious dear old lady, becasue they went to the wrong house. And then they tried to cover it up by lying, and trying to get their snitch to lie for them. They are now in prison.


119 posted on 05/14/2011 6:51:24 PM PDT by rawhide
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To: Finny
Las Vegas, Phoenix Tucson, same dif! ;^)
120 posted on 05/14/2011 7:02:24 PM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: Travis McGee
Well, hell, those war vets are likely terrorist you know...
121 posted on 05/14/2011 7:04:17 PM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: petitfour
This guy was treated like a hold up mass murderer, or someone that just shot up a grammar school, or an international terrorist.

Pretty amazing stuff happening with development of America's paramilitary civilian police troops...

72 rounds fired at one guy, in a neighborhood setting, over what allegedly? This guy was suspected of having drugs? Is this a joke?

Their going to endanger everyone within a half mile of this neighborhood for something like drugs? You'd think this poor guy was an international mass murdering terrorist.

In a country gone mad...

122 posted on 05/14/2011 7:09:11 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie
Remarks Following the Swearing-in Ceremony for William J. Bennett as Director of National Drug Control Policy

1989-03-13

-snip-

But those here and across the country who join me today in our just war against drugs may take some renewed confidence in our prospects for success because the President of the United States has placed this struggle at the top of his administration's agenda, at the top of our common national agenda where it needs to be.

-snip-

http://bushlibrary.tamu.edu/research/public_papers.php?id=160&year=1989&month=3

123 posted on 05/14/2011 7:10:36 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: rawhide

I doubt the 2 year old is old enough to be traumatized by this. He probably won’t remember it.


124 posted on 05/14/2011 7:14:58 PM PDT by Politicalmom (Herman Cain did NOT support TARP, and he did NOT say the Federal Reserve should not be audited.)
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To: Politicalmom

The two boys are 4 and 5.


125 posted on 05/14/2011 7:22:29 PM PDT by rawhide
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To: petitfour

I think they should get rid of SWAT teams or at least put them under tight control. The militarization of law enforcement is something that really concerns me and there are times the cure (SWAT teams) are worse than the disease (criminals). We need to have the police go back to the revolver, shotgun and a 1970’s era walkie-talkie. I have nothing against the police but when we see crap like this, I have to question, have we gone way too far?


126 posted on 05/14/2011 7:33:50 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (General James Mattoon Scott, where are you when we need you? We need a regime change.)
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To: Grunthor
Do we have to start banding together in citizen militias’ to protect our families and ourselves against these murderers with badges or is that kind of self defense talk considered over the top?

Heh, they might do a better job at law enforcement than the SWAT teams. Everyone would provide their own firearms, cars and CB radios and then you'd have a core of a citizen's police force.
127 posted on 05/14/2011 7:36:17 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (General James Mattoon Scott, where are you when we need you? We need a regime change.)
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To: Waryone
It's a shame that...[deleted in the interests of taste; insert your own description of "if there were any justice" here].

NO cheers, unfortunately.

128 posted on 05/14/2011 7:37:24 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: rawhide

Oops. Sorry, I don’t know where I got 2.


129 posted on 05/14/2011 7:37:30 PM PDT by Politicalmom (Herman Cain did NOT support TARP, and he did NOT say the Federal Reserve should not be audited.)
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To: Ken H
Drug War Whores have blood on their hands.

It's the truth. Only a citizenry which has submitted to essentially arbitrary contraband law could tolerate, and even endorse such law enforcement practices by officers, judges, and state's attorneys.

It is Tyrannical in its essence, and no amount of rationalization can excuse it.

Maybe one day, law enforcement will refocus its efforts on actual criminals, rather than those declared so by an authoritarian State. And I don't care whether such a state is enabled via an empowered elite, or a democratic majority. It invites and inevitably leads to Tyranny, and anyone who doesn't realize that is willfully blind, IMHO.

130 posted on 05/14/2011 7:38:12 PM PDT by sargon (I don't like the sound of these "boncentration bamps")
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To: Travis McGee
just damn... Prayers up.
131 posted on 05/14/2011 7:38:28 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: petitfour

I’m reminded of an episode of the 1990’s TV show, “Picket Fences” where the sheriff, Tom Skerritt, was chosen for jury duty and the case was where a drug dealer killed a cop or a couple of cops (it has been a while) with an Uzi. The setup was where the cops in SWAT gear came in an a no-knock raid so the drug dealer claimed self defense as the reason to fire back. Skerritt agreed and he was the lone holdout so it was declared a mistrial. At first I thought Skerritt was wrong but when I think about it and soon after when Janet Reno went into high gear as well as the crap we have now, I think he was right and it could be seen as self defense unless the police announce their presence.


132 posted on 05/14/2011 7:41:56 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (General James Mattoon Scott, where are you when we need you? We need a regime change.)
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To: GlockThe Vote
99 percent of cops in this country have earned the general disgust and hatred the public has for them.

I think most cops are good, but I do understand where crap like this make them look bad. I just don't like the militarization of law enforcement and that is a huge problem. There will always be idiots where if you give them a CAR-15 rifle, they think they are Robocop and that is where the problem lies. Then when you add in "The Man's" use of them, then you get shenanigans like this.
133 posted on 05/14/2011 7:45:35 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (General James Mattoon Scott, where are you when we need you? We need a regime change.)
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To: Moorings
It is heart-breaking to read about this. He served his country with two tours in Iraq, and survived. He is at home resting after working in the mines, only to be shot dead, riddled with bullets. His wife and child witnessing his violent death.

Heh, maybe it is safer to move to a place like Fallujah or Beirut.
134 posted on 05/14/2011 7:48:02 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (General James Mattoon Scott, where are you when we need you? We need a regime change.)
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To: petitfour
"these guys"

These government unionists.


135 posted on 05/14/2011 7:51:40 PM PDT by I see my hands (Embrace Misanthropy)
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To: Texas Fossil

That’s the same JA who let illegal alien spawn take over and prevent school board vote a few weeks ago. He was supporting his La Raza “people” (thanks, Eric Holder).


136 posted on 05/14/2011 7:54:17 PM PDT by Borax Queen
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To: rawhide

Don’t feel like the Lone Ranger. All decent people are sick to their stomaches over this. My and their heart goes out to the widow and orphans.And you sir, are sick over this because, in my opinion, you are a decent person.


137 posted on 05/14/2011 7:58:11 PM PDT by sport
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To: Travis McGee

Yeah! The rotten murdering bastards who did this.


138 posted on 05/14/2011 7:59:28 PM PDT by sport
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To: hoosierham; SgtHooper; GlockThe Vote; glock rocks; rawhide; Travis McGee; Squantos

>GlockThe Vote>99 percent of cops in this country have earned the general disgust and hatred the public has for them.<<

Because they are hiding behind their badges!

>SgtHooper >These guys need to be dealt with severely. But please don’t paint all cops with such a broad brush. Get the bad ones out, and praise the good cops.<<

The good cops don’t do anything about the bad cops so you’ll all get painted with that wide brush. Have you ever stood up in a squadroom meeting and mentioned that the suspect can be apprehended at work by a single officer or at the bank when he normally makes his Friday deposit? I am against SWAT Teams in 98% of the cases where they are used. You guys are not meant to be figging paramilitary Delta assault teams.

>hoosierham>Too bad this vet didn’t take out some of the thugs invading his home.You know the law enforcement community will never admit the whole thing was their fault.<<

Once upon a time I honestly felt a big empty hole in my gut when it was announced that an officer of the law had been killed while performing his duties. These days, no such feelings for them. My fault or theirs? IMO, THEIRS!


139 posted on 05/14/2011 8:00:07 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Allowing to America is akin to injecting yourself with AIDS to prove how tolerant you are..)
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To: Borax Queen
He was supporting his La Raza “people” (thanks, Eric Holder).

"Eric the Red" Holder, Obozo Toadie

140 posted on 05/14/2011 8:02:46 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: petitfour

This story on each report continues to get worse.

The SWAT team, the officers in charge, and dispatch should be hauled in front of a military tribunal.


141 posted on 05/14/2011 8:08:21 PM PDT by Gene Eric (*** Jesus ***)
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To: tbw2
We are demanding police level restraint of soldiers in kill or be killed wars, and then jail them for being soldiers. We are allowing police to become soldiers, with authority to shoot first and ask questions later, to the detriment of society and the pile of innocent bodies they leave behind.

Truly Orwellian, isn't it?

My late father, USMC, three wars, told me years ago of the signs he saw in the military from Korea (his first command) on that were the early stages of what we are seeing now. This has been coming on for a very long time.

The Indiana SC ruling RE police entry into private homes is very chilling, and presages more and greater authority for "law enforcement" agencies domestically. It would appear that the US government is more concerned with controlling its own citizens than its external enemies.

When they come for your guns, understand that after you hand them over, you may well be destined for a "reeducation" facility. The people of this country are going to face some very difficult choices, none of them with pleasant outcomes.

I'll make a prediction here. 50/50 odds that if Obama is in office after 2012, the feds will come after the donor list for Free Republic and similar entities.

142 posted on 05/14/2011 8:15:20 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s ( If you can remember the 60s....you weren't really there)
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To: Travis McGee

In that last picture... I’m thinking about 3/4 of an inch directly below the left eye hole in his mask.


143 posted on 05/14/2011 8:18:41 PM PDT by Raven6 (The sword is more important than the shield, and skill is more important than either.)
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To: petitfour

A friend of mine on FB was on my friends list...took him off after 25 years of knowing the guy after the gun running story broke. Enough was enough. They have done nothing but kill American citizens since they were first conceived, and from the looks of it, SWAT will be headed that way as well.


144 posted on 05/14/2011 8:20:01 PM PDT by Soothesayer9
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To: Travis McGee

>>When the victim is dead, any story will do.<<

When the victim is dead, the less said the better. If anyone knows this, it’s the cops.


145 posted on 05/14/2011 8:21:14 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Allowing to America is akin to injecting yourself with AIDS to prove how tolerant you are..)
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To: Soothesayer9

Edit, forgot to mention he was an ATF agent

(sheesh when is the site admin gonna ante up and actually upgrade this forum to have an edit button? Cheap??)


146 posted on 05/14/2011 8:21:20 PM PDT by Soothesayer9
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To: dljordan

At one place I worked, a security guard had stuffed a little girl’s body (anyone remember Kali Ann Poulton?) in the air conditioning cooling tank for several years. Needless to say my faith in security guards is low.


147 posted on 05/14/2011 8:21:56 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (Great children's books - http://www.UsborneBooksGA.com)
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To: RitaOK
were pumped to deal with a mean drug raid and possible shoot out with cartel couriers, users and Mexican muscle?

These SWAT fags will not go head to head with the drug cartels.

They do have the balls to kill accountants and such but will crap their pants in a real fight.

Evert major city has a drug corridor and these cops stay the hell away from it. They will however beat the hell out of a grandma. If it is in a safe neighborhood.

148 posted on 05/14/2011 8:22:37 PM PDT by Eaker (The problem with the internet, you're never sure of the accuracy of the quotes. Abraham Lincoln '65)
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To: zeugma

>>I think the name, address and photograph of each swat member should be widely posted on the internet.<<

zeugma, there’s no need to reply.

Perhaps you’ve seen this before. I am debating if I should delete the last sentence.

IMO, it should be common knowledge where your city, state and federal officials, the county bureaucrats and local and federal police officers live, every single one of them!

It is not difficult to make someone live in fear for their lives as many of you already know. Making our elected officials acutely aware of that feeling is not a popular idea amongst the posters on this thread but having that taste in your mouth is not one quickly forgotten. Don’t go after them in their protected offices when their families are as vulnerable as our are.

If our LEO’s or military troops under the orders of our elected local, county, state or federal officials ever administer violent treatment to US citizens then it should be returned in equal force to their superiors families.

I promise you that a single bullet through the kitchen window of the Mayors house will make for an excited dinner conversation with his wife. The Mayor will then understand exactly what he did when he ordered violence against his townspeople.

The Chief of Police’s wife isn’t immune from explaining to her husband what a wonderful job he’s doing if her home receives a copper jacketed message through her front door or bedroom wall.

There is no need to go after the street level officers, their bosses are the ones who issue the orders and they should be the ones to receive the 2200+ foot per second message.


149 posted on 05/14/2011 8:28:57 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Allowing to America is akin to injecting yourself with AIDS to prove how tolerant you are..)
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To: LowNslow

Excellent recount of events.

Thanks!


150 posted on 05/14/2011 8:29:04 PM PDT by Eaker (The problem with the internet, you're never sure of the accuracy of the quotes. Abraham Lincoln '65)
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