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To: APatientMan

Do you want a justice system like the gangs have their justice system, where people are killed for doing even minor annoyances, to ensure good order?

Then just wait, because that is where your justice system is heading. It has been heading that way for a long time.

Is it working? Is your crime rate heading down?
Do you feel safe in your home?

You cannot have a proper justice system based on punishment alone. All you end up with is a hardened and willful people who are not deterred from punishment to do what they intend to do.


84 posted on 05/15/2011 2:57:50 PM PDT by Jonty30
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To: Jonty30

“Is it working? Is your crime rate heading down?
Do you feel safe in your home?

You cannot have a proper justice system based on punishment alone. All you end up with is a hardened and willful people who are not deterred from punishment to do what they intend to do.”

I simply asked a question. Your response is a little confusing to me because you seem to be arguing both sides of the debate.
Up thread you use mooslelimb tactics in your example (cutting the hand off a thief). You say that by using those tactics we would have a safe and crime free society. Now you are saying those tactics don’t work and that punishment alone doesn’t work. I’m trying to figure out what your point of view is.

I have taken matters into my own hands at times. I am safer for it. Crimes against me are way, way down. I’m very safe in my home.

If someone, by their own free will, decides to take from me, hurt those I care for, injure or corrupt innocent people - I’ll hurt them. Is that the way it should have to work? No. Can I depend on some gov’t entity to do the right thing? Hardly.

I appreciated your reference to Scripture. I think it’s pretty close to being right on. In the end though the ultimate lesson is that if you do not abide God’s word - you die. You suffer and are eternally damned. No do-overs. You only have so much time to set things right with Him. If you don’t - you lose. That is a pretty good lesson in itself.


87 posted on 05/15/2011 3:17:39 PM PDT by APatientMan (Pick a side)
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