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Safe, Cheap Nuclear: Thorium Fluoride Reactors
RealClearScience ^ | May 19, 2011 | Joseph Archer

Posted on 05/22/2011 6:04:55 PM PDT by neverdem

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To: RayChuang88
So what are we waiting for?

The Luddite leftists don't want cheap clean energy. And they are not going to allow it.

We have vast reserves of clean oil and coal. They are shutting down our production of energy. Doesn't matter what it is.

*If* one of their pet "green energies" actually turned out to provide vast amounts of cheap clean energy, they'd turn on it in a heartbeat. Guaranteed.

21 posted on 05/22/2011 7:02:48 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s ( If you can remember the 60s....you weren't really there)
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To: allmost

I am with you on that. I have been scratching my head.


22 posted on 05/22/2011 7:04:53 PM PDT by Jayster
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To: neverdem
The Chinese have made it the cornerstone of their future power generation strategy.

China leading the way with thorium"
23 posted on 05/22/2011 7:11:02 PM PDT by Ron/GA
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To: neverdem

Since we ‘needed’ to spend $800+ billion on a recovery package, why not put aside a coll $100b for this? WTF is wrong with our government


24 posted on 05/22/2011 7:16:37 PM PDT by mewykwistmas (Lost your job as a birther under Obama? Become a 'deather'! Where's Bin Laden's death certificate?)
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To: neverdem; All

Thanks for posting. VERY interesting. Great, informative thread. Thanks to all posters/linkers/educators. Potential FANTASTIC news! BTTT!


25 posted on 05/22/2011 7:45:13 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: neverdem

Our son is fascinated by this design, and even called the NRC to inquire about individuals building one for home use. ;o)


26 posted on 05/22/2011 8:13:25 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: neverdem
... activists around the world threaten to eliminate nuclear power as an acceptable energy source.

Activists around the world are trying to destroy the status quo, no matter what the status quo is. The dangers, or lack thereof, of nuclear energy methods is unimportant. They are also against coal and oil and natural gas. They support solar and wind because neither produce enough electricity to matter. They pretend to care about the environment but they don't. They pretend to care about rare species of plants, animals and insects, but they don't. They care only about destruction.

If this method is safe and efficient that is very good. That will make it more difficult to prevent its use but they will try.

27 posted on 05/22/2011 8:17:16 PM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (I retain the right to be inconsistent, contradictory and even flat-out wrong!)
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To: RayChuang88

In a rational world, we’d have nuclear powered cars, trucks, trains, ships, and planes.

A “marble” sized core of Thorium Flouride would power a steam turbine car for its entire lifespan, plus power your home when it was parked. Surely we can build a containment vessel that would literally withstand anything that can happen to a vehicle that moves less than 200mph.

A single ton of Thorium will produce a MILLION horsepower continuously for a YEAR. That would power a cruise ship for ten years without refueling.

The smaller quantity of Thorium compared to Uranium needed plus its unsuitability for weapons might be key to expanding nuclear power beyond land based power generation and military naval use.


28 posted on 05/22/2011 8:41:53 PM PDT by Kellis91789 (There's a reason the mascot of the Democratic Party is a jackass.)
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To: Spktyr
Neither one is insurmountable, but the other thing is that without the uranium cycle reactors, you cannot make nuclear weapons.

Which explains the TRUE goals of the "no-nuke" movements.

I wrote--but then erased--"Damn all of them to hell" but then remembered that I am supposed to pray for my enemies.

Man are my molars getting worn down!

Cheers!

29 posted on 05/22/2011 8:43:21 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: RayChuang88

We have to build more windmills. Duh.


30 posted on 05/22/2011 8:50:04 PM PDT by Minus_The_Bear
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To: grey_whiskers
The true goal of the anti-nuclear movement is take away everybody's computer, TV, & all other electronics and go back 200 years.

They don't want cheap electricity. They problem is normal people like cheap power to watch movies, play games, eat... etc.
31 posted on 05/22/2011 8:52:11 PM PDT by Minus_The_Bear
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To: Ron/GA
China is also buying up mineral/mining rights all over the western US... thorium is one of those reasons.

We are pretty dumb.
32 posted on 05/22/2011 8:53:50 PM PDT by Minus_The_Bear
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To: neverdem

The Fukishima reactor was a 50 year old design and never was intended to survive an earth quake of the magnitude that occurred. Newer technologies like thorium fluoride have been stifled by the scare mongering media and no nothing politicians. Instead we waste billions on dead ends like windmills and solar power that cannot possibly meet even a portion of our energy needs.


33 posted on 05/22/2011 9:00:08 PM PDT by The Great RJ ("The problem with socialism is that pretty soon you run out of other people's money" M. Thatcher)
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To: mewykwistmas

That $800+ billion was just one of the stimulus plans. If they had put a fraction into thorium instead of throwing it all to their buddies, we would have free energy, IMO.


34 posted on 05/22/2011 9:17:49 PM PDT by UnwashedPeasant (Don't nuke me, bro)
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To: allmost
Nuclear energy is worldwide, someone should have had to taken that route by now. Strange. I feel I’m missing something regarding the drawbacks of an operational system.

Our orginal plants were designed to produce energy and also plutonium for nuclear weapons. If we just wanted energy, the thorium salt would have been the way to go.

35 posted on 05/23/2011 1:10:16 AM PDT by cpdiii (Deckhand, Roughneck, Geologist, Pilot, Pharmacist, Iconoclast: THE CONSTITUTION IS WORTH DYING FOR.)
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To: Kellis91789

I can imagine small compact Thorium Fluoride Reactors producing electricity to cities, shopping centers and buildings, all over this nation. It would be the nuclear energy that would make us truly energy independent. It would reduce the cost of energy and make it safer to produce.


36 posted on 05/23/2011 1:15:52 AM PDT by jonrick46 (2012 can't come soon enough.)
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To: cpdiii
Thank you for your input. Do you have anymore than that?

I'm still scratchin my head here. It needs a vacuum doesn't it?
37 posted on 05/23/2011 1:15:59 AM PDT by allmost
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To: reg45

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There has to be a better way. We need a solution that will last at least fifty years.

What if I told you that there is one?

It’s coal.

But not how you think of coal.

We think of coal as going into a power plant that makes electricity. But that’s wasteful, believe it or not.

Here’s the math on gasoline, diesel and coal.

1 lb of gasoline contains about 2.2 x 10^7 Joules of energy.
1 lb of coal contains about 1.1 x 10^7 Joules of energy.

These are reasonably-comparable; another way to look at this is that you need about 200% of coal (in pounds) as you do in gasoline for the same energy content.

Edit: Numbers vary on coal depending on type. Changed to reflect the most-pessimistic reasonable observed number - 4/1 1:44 pm

We currently consume 378 million gallons of gasoline a day. At 6lbs/gallon (approximately) this is 2,268 million pounds. Reduced to short tons (2,000 lbs) this is 1.134 million short tons of gasoline/day, or 414 million short tons a year. Converted to coal, this is 828 short tons.

The most-current value I can find for distillate (diesel fuel) is 3.794 million barrels a day. At 42 gallons to the barrel, this is 159 million gallons of diesel fuel. Diesel contains about 20% more BTUs per gallon than gasoline, but is about 17% heavier at 7lbs/gallon, so if we convert simply based on weight we get close. So we have 1,113 million pounds of diesel daily; reduced to short tons that’s 0.557 million short tons of diesel daily, or 203 million short tons a year. Converted to coal, this is 406 million short tons.


38 posted on 05/23/2011 8:48:58 AM PDT by Jayster
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To: rawhide
Is there any of these built as a real world test?

Yes, but I couldn't reemember what thread it was on, mine or someone else's. Fortunely, I checked thorium as a keyword, and someone gave me a Wikipedia reference, although I read it somewhere else. If you go down to Thorium as a nuclear fuel, then you'll find at the end of the first paragraph:

One of the early pioneers of the technology was U.S. physicist Alvin Weinberg at Oak Ridge National Laboratory in Tennessee, who helped develop a working nuclear plant using liquid fuel in the 1960s.

P.S. Wikipedia is a decent source when the subject isn't political.
39 posted on 05/23/2011 11:21:12 AM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: blackdog
Because you can’t have a weapons program using Thorium. A dirty little secret about Uranium fueled reactors and their duality of purpose.

None of the uranium fueled power plant suppy the weapons program.

40 posted on 05/26/2011 12:52:28 PM PDT by SeeSac
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