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To: dangus

“It takes you EIGHT SECONDS to lower your gun?”

It probably wouldn’t matter. If I had a gun in my hand, I’m pretty sure the average SWAT team would see me pointing it at them, just as this SWAT team reported that the guy fired first, and they had the bullet holes to prove it - except they did NOT.

My timeline for when the guy would reach the end of the hall gives what I think the earliest time would be, not the latest. How long does it take you to get out of bed, grab a gun, tell your wife and child to hide in the closet and then reach a spot where you can see your front door?

From the first siren/car alarm starting to first shot was, IIRC, 34 seconds.

I figure that at the fastest, he would have arrived at the end of the hall about the time the door was starting to be forcibly opened (26 sec). I don’t think he would have had a chance to look out the window and see who was there, or even to be in the same room at the time they said they were cops. He could well have arrived simultaneously with the first shots fired.

Do you REALLY think these cops would notice if I started to lower my gun?

In the Costco shooting last July, the cop who opened fire said the man pointed his gun at him - but the gun was found holstered, no round in the chamber (which means he would have had to remove the gun and rack the slide to get ready to shoot).

If the cops broke down my door and found me standing with my revolver hanging down at my side, do you really think they wouldn’t shoot? 71 rounds fired in 7 seconds...does that sound to you like they are trained to think first, shoot second?


212 posted on 05/27/2011 4:24:15 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (Poor history is better than good fiction, and anything with lots of horses is better still)
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To: Mr Rogers

>> Do you REALLY think these cops would notice if I started to lower my gun? <<

Well, if you actually DO lower it, yeah, I think cops would notice the difference between a gun pointed at them, and one not pointed at them. Also, shouting, “Don’t shoot; I’m putting down my gun” probably helps, further. And I also have no difficulty believing that someone on the team mistakenly believed that the vic shot first; once the first bullet flew, he started shooting.

>> In the Costco shooting last July, the cop who opened fire said the man pointed his gun at him - but the gun was found holstered <<

So because one cop is guilty, all cops are guilty?


214 posted on 05/27/2011 4:30:55 PM PDT by dangus
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