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To: Candor7
I don’t give a damn if the PIMA County sheriff is a good old boy and a conservative. The Bill of Rights still applies.

IMO the whole thing comes down to unreasonable use of no-knock warrants and SWAT teams. They should only be used where life and limb are in immediate danger. This case falls far short of that. He could have been detained during or after his 12 hour night shift at the mine where he would have been unarmed and dead tired. His wife and two young children could have also been detained after leaving the house with the added benefit of using the opportunity to ask her if anyone else was there.

This was the epitome of lazy, sloppy police work that apparently didn't employ even the simplest surveillance or background research before conducting a half-assed dynamic entry. If you have seen the video of their entry I think you'll agree that they aren't trained well enough to handle a barking dog call.

369 posted on 05/29/2011 8:55:43 PM PDT by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/15/08 and why?)
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To: TigersEye
If you have seen the video of their entry I think you'll agree that they aren't trained well enough to handle a barking dog call. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

As far as the facts go, All the PIMA County SWAT Team is revealed as a mobile firing squad.

This has lead to another Ruby Ridge. Even if the killed suspect was reealed to have the sunject of the search, he did not deserve to die by firing squad. This is incredibly wrong. A no knock search warrant became a warrant of summary execution by firing squad, IMHO.Its like handing out a traffic ticket to someone and then pounding the pi$$ out of them because the officer thought they were dangerous , a gross over reaching using due process as an excuse.There is no excuse for those who are supposed to be trained professionals.

Inside his own home that man had a right to stand there with his rifle.

If I lived in Pima County, I assure you I would have double half inch steel doors with steel girder support frames, front and back.No ID, no entry. It appears that the SWAT personnel are just as murderous as the drug gangs in this case, both are to be feared by ordinary civilian Americans. AND for good reasons based on straight fact.

373 posted on 05/30/2011 9:47:34 AM PDT by Candor7 (Obama . fascist info..http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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To: TigersEye
If you have seen the video of their entry I think you'll agree that they aren't trained well enough to handle a barking dog call.

The Sheriff didn't want WELL TRAINED, and EXPERIENCED SWAT TEAM guys conducting the raid.

That is why it was made up of mostly rookies from various SWAT TEAMS.

378 posted on 05/30/2011 10:23:14 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: TigersEye
If you have seen the video of their entry I think you'll agree that they aren't trained well enough to handle a barking dog call.

I think I agree with that, without even having to see the video. From the accounts I've read, 30 seconds into the operation, they're all inside the house, and they've got one suspect down, they don't know if there are any other suspects in the house, and THEY'RE ALL HOLDING EMPTY WEAPONS.

410 posted on 05/31/2011 8:16:14 AM PDT by tacticalogic
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